He has proven pedigree, but without the club having the same structure, a good one, then he will fail. He is not dealing with advertising's dreamboys at Brighton.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
In this case, a car sold by a totally crooked car salesman.
The only people the majority want sacking is the owners and their cronies.
Hold on a second there, are you saying we could play worse then we currently are? We have played 5 games so far, won 2 games, first one against Wolves, we were bullied all game and it felt like a minor miracle to pick up all 3 points. Second win against Forest we needed a heroic comeback. At home, against Forest.
I like Ole and I like ETH. But, for me, Ole was terrible, and ETH was pretty decent last season. This season, there are very worrying signs for ETH so let's just see how it plays out.
My issue is with the fan boys who paint Jose and Ole's tenures in a positive light and are fecking relentless about it, too.
We’ve imploded mate. Half the squad are injured, some are refusing to train and some are suspended for abuse cases. The rest of the squad can’t be arsed to track runners.
We’ve won what? 2 games?
Up to him to show he can get us to respond and fast. If he can't muster up a performance against Bayern, then I dunno, I don't see it working out ultimately.
Had to be you.De Zerbi has but but ETH hasn't?
Only if the club already has a structure that forces players on the managers. That is not the case though, ETH had the opportunity to shape the team the way he likes, just like the next manager will be given at least 200m a year to play with.
Nag Nag Nagelsmann
It's time for the Nagelsmann
It's time for the Nagelsmann
This and the Arsenal one is a potent example for the situation we are in. We also need to forget about the title for a bit, we are nowhere near and we we won't be anytime soon its just bring us unnecessary pressure when we fail.
He has made a few mistakes but who hasn't however our challenge is that we have no depth to speak of to cover for any player who doesn't pull his weight. Take today, for example, Hoijlund was clearly tired but bringing on Martial effectively killed us as a threat down the centre.
We also need him to hold all the players accountable regardless of their status but I understand that it could be difficult looking at the injuries we have. Rashford should have been hauled off for killing our attacks through shit decision making, Casemiro should sit on the bench once Amrabat is back and Bruno should lose his place to Mount when he comes back. The failure by that trio to do the basics of their positions is costing us and the manager needs to throw the book at them because cuddling them is just going to get him the sack.
Going forward players who can't do the basics required at this level need shifting and the biggest culprits are the fan favorites. ETH needs to show some balls and make the big decisions.
I honestly would wait until end of season and try to get Xabi Alonso to sign early for next season.
Alonso is just the whole package. Doing wonders at Leverkusen, is just such a natural leader and has the respect of many players just for who he was and is.
I think he will become the next big thing and if you miss him in the next 12 months he will end up at Real or a similar sized club you dont get him off easily if at all.
Alonso is just the whole package. Doing wonders at Leverkusen, is just such a natural leader and has the respect of many players just for who he was and is.
I think he will become the next big thing and if you miss him in the next 12 months he will end up at Real or a similar sized club you dont get him off easily if at all.
I hope he sticks this out too, he has just had too much to deal with at United in such a short space of time, and has been deceived like the rest of us over the takever.
If this continues I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he walked away.
We are the slayer of too many good managers and players for this to not be been casued by other factors going on at the club.
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I’d give him this season and next as long as we are top 7. However he really needs new owners to be in place by the end of this season and needs them to find a DOF to work with him.
Not agreeing with a lot the comments saying EtH is fraud. Clearly the man is not.
Although there are questions that need to be answered and he does have to start taking responsibility for results. Not competing at the highest level is where the glazers / Arnold etc come in.
He spent £45m on a keeper. A great keeper that no doubt Arsenal, City, Liverpool would sign if they needed a keeper but would any of those teams sign that keeper when the rest of the team isn’t suited to him? I’d argue playmaking keepers are the last part of the puzzle. They fit into a playmaking, pressing team. They don’t turn a slow, uncreating team that can barely keep possession into a top footballing team.
We have injuries. Maybe the return to full form of Casemiro, plus Mount and Amrabat will justify signing Onana during the summer. But right now every good pass he makes the ball gets lost within 2-3 passes.
Rashford… where is the coaching? He is reverting back to the Rashford of 2 years ago. Running too much with the ball and turning hood positions into wasted opportunities. hooting when he should be passing/crossing it low etc.
Although there are questions that need to be answered and he does have to start taking responsibility for results. Not competing at the highest level is where the glazers / Arnold etc come in.
He spent £45m on a keeper. A great keeper that no doubt Arsenal, City, Liverpool would sign if they needed a keeper but would any of those teams sign that keeper when the rest of the team isn’t suited to him? I’d argue playmaking keepers are the last part of the puzzle. They fit into a playmaking, pressing team. They don’t turn a slow, uncreating team that can barely keep possession into a top footballing team.
We have injuries. Maybe the return to full form of Casemiro, plus Mount and Amrabat will justify signing Onana during the summer. But right now every good pass he makes the ball gets lost within 2-3 passes.
Rashford… where is the coaching? He is reverting back to the Rashford of 2 years ago. Running too much with the ball and turning hood positions into wasted opportunities. hooting when he should be passing/crossing it low etc.
Today isn’t the best day to form a balanced opinion about such a long term decision but I personally is behind our manager 100%. After this season’s last game is the time to evaluate if he’s still our future.
Firstly regarding todays result. In a toxic working environment no manager survive long term. In EtH last press conference before the game the majority of questions was non football relative. Sancho. Antony. Greenwood. Maguire. Give the man some slack because with so much internal havoc nobody can create magic.
Firstly regarding todays result. In a toxic working environment no manager survive long term. In EtH last press conference before the game the majority of questions was non football relative. Sancho. Antony. Greenwood. Maguire. Give the man some slack because with so much internal havoc nobody can create magic.
We can’t keep sacking managers. The club needs to get behind one for once and show the players that either you fix your shit or you’re shown the door. Sacking another manager just undermines the whole thing.
Give him time and he’ll sort this bunch of twats out. We all know how fecked our club is - why did anyone think sorting that out wouldn’t take time? People say things like “oh I know it’ll take time” but then lose their shit anyway. Part of saying that means actually giving him time to fix it.
Give him time and he’ll sort this bunch of twats out. We all know how fecked our club is - why did anyone think sorting that out wouldn’t take time? People say things like “oh I know it’ll take time” but then lose their shit anyway. Part of saying that means actually giving him time to fix it.
I honestly don't think I need to say I'd sack him cause I know it will eventually happen. It's a matter of "when".
Please God No.
God no!
We absolutely can, but we need a real structure in place first.
Hahaha haha. Has to be an opposition fan. One good thing about that would be the return of the Ole's at the Wheel song. Actually...no.
I highly highly doubt ETH could have achieve what de Zerbi has at Brighton. ETH cannot blame others or hide behind the Glazers. He has spent 400m and were made to look like a clown today. No structure to our play after going one nil down.
I’m more worried that he’ll walk than get the sack. We’re an absolute clown show.
In the same way as we all eventually die.
Bolded the problem. Our midfield is still after all these years, shite. We expect Eriksen and McTominay to cover anything, two of the most limited players in the league for various reasons.
Mount was a massive mistake I could see costing Ten Hag his job.
Same and it is probably for many others as well. This was a shocking performance all around.
And that. Matilda’s dad level
Course you keep him. You let him get his team on the pitch which for various reasons we haven't yet.
I mean he clearly deserves more than 5 games, we're an absolute mess of a club that cant' be easy to manage but there are some concerning signs. Hope he can turn it around though.
Anyway, he'll be sacked by Christmas. I think he's on his way to lose the dressing room. It didn't happen yet but we're very close. The players will turn on him pretty soon by the way it's going.
I expect a caretaker comes January.
I expect a caretaker comes January.
The problems with this roster are so big that he’s not had the time or money necessary to fix it. And that time part is amplified by the fact that this club seems to be mired in molasses any time they have to negotiate the purchase of a player.
Ten Hag doesn't deserve to be that one. He's a terrible coach.
Brighton has a good owner, who knows he does not know which players to buy so have employed good DOF's. Our owners employ people who do not have a clue how to negotiate contracts, sales, purchases. No DOF so the managers have total power but not necessarily the knowledge of who they should buy, so more often than not has gone with people he knows and our negotiating team have allowed themselves to be ripped off. That is all down to the owners who also have feck all knowledge of Association Football.
But why sack a guy who’s trying to bring that in and is hamstrung by dickheads the previous managers wanted?
You never wanted him from the start.
Are there any clubs that have had the sequence of problems to deal with that Utd have?
I'll keep the faith for now, though some of his in game decisions are beginning to grate.
I'll keep the faith for now, though some of his in game decisions are beginning to grate.
More like I'm not deluded about his abilities like you're trying to convince yourselves to be.