It stands to reason that a goalkeeper who is more comfortable in possession will improve a team's capabilities in playing out from the back. This, you would hope, will lead to more possession and thus, more opportunities to create attacking possibilities. What Onana was not going to do was score 30 goals a season.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I do remember it, and remember reading it, which made me look into him, what came out top in searches was not his ball playing ability but his howlers.
He's not any of this though, name one instance where a pass from him has led to a goal or even a chance, you can't because it hasn't happened, and on performance will never happen.
The reason is simple, opponents know about this part of his game (if it exists) and stifle it, leaving him to long ball Hollywood style clearances
Are you disputing that Onana is better on the ball than De Gea? I remember a terrific long ball from Onana out to the left wing against Spurs (Could have been to Garnacho) which most definitely should have led to a good goalscoring opportunity.
Should have, Could have.............................But didn't
This isn't about De Gea, it's about Ohno
Just a shockingly bad keeper. Some of the goals he has let in has left me speechless. Complete waste of money.
He's a goalkeeper mate. What do you want him to do? Ping it out to Garnacho and then get onto the end of his cross?
But where on here was it actually said on here he would transform the attack?
A lot of people stated having a keeper who was better on the ball would make it easier to beat the press, recycle possession and build sustained periods of pressure. As it turns out having too many outfield players who aren't good on the ball is the next stumbling block.
Question marks over his shot stopping ability are valid, but comparisons to DDG are wild. Because he became such an average shot stopper that even as shite as Onana appears to be, he's on par in terms of shot stopping with the DDG we saw for the last 5 years.
I said when the early leaks came in that he's shite. Always had a mistake in him, that least season at Ajax was comical.
'But he played well at Inter!' yeah so did Lukaku, Mykhitarian and Ashley Young
'But he played well at Inter!' yeah so did Lukaku, Mykhitarian and Ashley Young
You were the one that said "it should of" which implies it didn't.
So you still can't remember one instance.
All I see is long balls, more in hope to one of our players, that results in the ball coming straight back at us.
It's somewhere in this thread, but I don't know how to quote get a link to the relevant post
absolutely not! Onana at his best won’t be as good as ddg at his worst. And I’m still waiting to see this talent with the ball at his feet too, one or two decent passes but he’s kicked it out of play just as much
There's a few for you
Literally none of those posts mentions transforming the attack.
The closest you get is someone speculating he'll be able to ping a quick ball up to Rashford for capitalise on.
Mine says nothing about transforming the attack. Only playing through the press.
"He's going to make mistakes, sure, but most top keepers do these days. We are going to be infinitely times more effective at starting attacking phases. Done are the days of slow, calamitous, panic passing. I just hope he's a good character off the pitch also. I want a drama free season of well behaved players to get behind."
You didn't read them all in context did you?
Starting attacking phases isn't transforming the attack, it's getting the ball out of the defensive area of the pitch and into the midfield.
That's also one small quote (that you've clearly misunderstood) from a whole bunch of irrelevant ones, given the context of you trying to prove people were claiming Onana was going to transform our attack.
Hoping we can finally move on from the days when we would shit our pants if someone pressed our GK = transforming our attack.
Hoping he'll never make a howler = transforming our attack.
Very exciting to finally have a bold, ball-playing keeper = transforming our attack.
Not sure why some of the posts were even quoted there. Good job on completely missing the point.
The 2nd one?
What sort of logic is that? Onana isn't responsible for what Garnacho or whoever chooses to do with the ball.
He never mentioned ddg
Nope, he isn't. In four months, Onana made as many mistakes as De Gea made in 4 years. But we had such high expectations from De Gea that every single mistake was something extraordinary. With Onana, we have somehow accepted that he will be making these blunders all the time, so we are happy when he doesn't.
Ddg and onana need to be separated. We needed to move on from ddg. We just picked the wrong keeper by the looks of it.
Yeah, not a thing as it turns out
ETH wanted Onana, so he vetoed the contract that De Gea had already signed. We didn't just need a keeper and found Onana. It was our manager who decided he wanted his previous keeper. That's why we have Onana and not De Gea. And we will stay with Onana for as long as ETH is our manager. The next manager ... who knows?
Nah, nobody was saving that. The only obvious error I saw him make (based on MOTD highlights) was the one he spooned up and they scored the rebound from an offside position.
Nah, you've seen keepers save similar shots. It's not a howler but it's something an elite shot stopper could save - a bit like the Chelsea goal
I remember many posters claiming that though, and there was a youtube video posted on here too with a tactical analysis of how he would improve our attacking
Firstly, you do realise that playing out from the back better doesn't mean Onana should be creating those opportunities?
Secondly, the spurs one and if I recall the game correctly he created another chance for Garnacho vs Chelsea.
The main issue we've had is the inability of those around him to play out from the back. He's been good at it other than the one pass in the CL.
DDG was a top servant of this club. But DDG had some stinkers, all keepers do, it’s inevitable. Onana is better with his feet, the eye test will tell you that, he routinely controls the ball, body feints, stops the opposing team from cutting the pitch in half, thus implementing a squeeze on our chosen flank. DDG couldn’t do that ever.
Do I think Onana will be here long term? No. His shot stopping and handling are league 1/2 level, it’s really poor which should be called out.
You know you can state that DDG had his flaws that got worse in the last 3 years and say that Onana isn’t the right man for the reasons that have been posted in here ad Nauseam. It’s not one player or the other
I disagree. It was past him before he had any chance to save the ball.
I also think the Chelsea goal was quite poor goalkeeping. You don’t even need to be an elite shot stopper to save that one. His footwork was not good.
If he was a free punt we would definitely be looking for a new GK in the winter, now he probably has until summer. The next manager will surely want someone else.
But he hasn't, has he?
I also remember people saying how much having a keeper that was adept with his feet would help to transform our attack. Just because people have better things to do than to trawl through post history doesn't mean something wasn't said. You've been incredibly vocal about how dreadful DdG was in the last year or so but you seem to find applying the same scrutiny to Onana tough for some reason.
In the past 10 years, we have gone through so many useless players who would be fantastic ... if only everyone else around them was world class. Doesn't it get boring?
Onana isn't a good keeper for this level. It doesn't matter if everyone else around him is world class or pub league. A good player makes those around him look better, not worse!
His technique is so bad. More mishaps to come from him this season for sure. Awful signing.
It doesn't even require the players to be world class because you can see clubs like Brighton who have been doing it for years because their players are comfortable with the ball under pressure. It's just about characteristics.
De Gea lacked what is needed to play out from the back, Onana has those abilities but you still need the other players. This forum isn't exactly full of posts about how fantastic our defenders and midfielders are at playing that way for a reason.
If you think a good player should be able to make the players around him look better then you should also be able to accept that poor players (or poorly performing) can make a good one look worse.
While Onana hasn't been great overall and has been very poor in the CL, we have been all over the place defensively all season (and just poor as a team), that is always going to make it difficult for a keeper.
I think it was past him because his reactions and athleticism are poor. We won't change each others minds though
No mention of a transformational effect on the attack.
He really is, second highest save % in the league + a net positive psxg, the 5th highest in the league.
It was the last 5 years. I have been critical of him, maybe not overly so, or not as critical as I was of DDG, but then again it's only been a few months, not 5 years of shite whilst being the highest paid keeper in the world.
Everyone in the league knows he is not a good keeper, that's why they shoot at sight. And that's the main reason he has second second-highest save % in the league.
Not really.
He has only faced 15 more shots on target than Allison has across 15 games, who is the top shot stopper. So 1 shot more per game on average, not really a sign of teams shooting on site because he's crap.