[Regulus Arcturus Black]

...moved on and replaced by better players, in key positions, enabled by proper recruitment and reward, and developed under a much better coaching and playing set-up. That's almost certainly a new manager, 3-4 years, and more money.

I think we’ve so many dogshit players we should care about removing than one who is currently hitting some actual form (2 goals, 2 assists in his last 4), and who just last season had 41 goal contributions in 56 games.
Like a full back who can never stay fit and has been that way since he joined us from Southampton almost a decade ago, a goalkeeper much like the last who costs us too many goals, some absolutely terrible centre backs, two right backs not fit for a top club. No single central midfielder who can control a game, the other none-Rashford wingers who barely contribute to goals or assists and no striker of note who’ll even get double figures.
And a manager who is massively failing his players and the club.

That’s me though.

Last year with a functioning side, you see what Rashford can do. What we should be aiming for is a side that can function for more than one season. We clearly need a full back or two, a central midfielder or two and a proven striker in his prime that guarantees goals.

If we get that and Rashford and/or whoever cannot perform, we should absolutely move them on, though my bet is, the likes of Bruno & Rashford will look much better when alongside better players who give them better options and share the creative burden.
It’s no surprise Rashford’s best seasons aside from last were with an in-form Martial and then with Cavani.

 

[MUnitedGT]

Hojlund’s disallowed goal vs Brighton came from Rashford’s cross. 2 of the 5 UCL Hojlund’s goals were assisted by Rashford. Rashford had assisted Hojlund and the only our wingers who did.

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He also put one on a plate for him vs. Luton, which Højlund managed to miss from 3 yards.

2 goals and 2 assists in his last 4 games, thankfully he’s finally hitting some form.

To clarify, I meant Rashford has 0 assists to Hojlund in the league. Think he has something like 2 successful crosses on 7% accuracy (again, in the league). 1 of these is the one vs Luton, from which Hojlund, while probably could've and should’ve done better, didn’t miss. Shot was on target and saved.

Chance creation from most of our wingers in general, but specifically for the CF, is a rampant issue overall. But the others aren’t on salary Rashford is on, or considered a ‘talisman’/star, while not putting in effort in pressing or tracking back.

 

[United888]

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To clarify, I meant Rashford has 0 assists to Hojlund in the league. Think he has something like 2 successful crosses on 7% accuracy (again, in the league). 1 of these is the one vs Luton, from which Hojlund, while probably could've and should’ve done better, didn’t miss. Shot was on target and saved.

Chance creation from most of our wingers in general, but specifically for the CF, is a rampant issue overall. But the others aren’t on salary Rashford is on, or considered a ‘talisman’/star, while not putting in effort in pressing or tracking back.

Rashford still provided more than the other wingers to Hojlund. It just reflects to my point that he worked better with Hojlund in comparison to our other wingers with Hojlund.

 

[MUnitedGT]

Rashford still provided more than the other wingers to Hojlund. It just reflects to my point that he worked better with Hojlund in comparison to our other wingers with Hojlund.

Your original point was that they worked well.

Better is not well against such a low bar.

 

[United888]

Your original point was that they worked well.

Better is not well against such a low bar.

You make it sounds like work well is the same as very good. "very good" reflects as excellence, "good" indicates to something is satisfactory or acceptable, and "well" describes the manner in which something is done.

I don’t just say worked well, I made comparison because I said Rashford is the only our winger who works well with Hojlund. It’s factual because he’s done better than the other of our wingers. Would you agree that he’s done better than the other of our wingers?

 

[MUnitedGT]

You make it sounds like work well is the same as very good. "very good" reflects as excellence, "good" indicates to something is satisfactory or acceptable, and "well" describes the manner in which something is done.

I don’t just say worked well, I made comparison because I said Rashford is the only our winger who works well with Hojlund. It’s factual because he’s done better than the other of our wingers. Would you agree that he’s done better than the other of our wingers?

By definition, well, the verbiage you used to describe their partnership, is good and/or satisfactory. And my point is that the partnership has not been good nor satisfactory. So no, I’m not making it sound like well is good, quite the opposite.

Just because it’s marginally and negligibly more fruitful than the other partnerships doesn’t make it well. The partnerships/team play, in general, but in this case, specific to any combination of the front 3, has been far below par.

 

[United888]

By definition, well, the verbiage you used to describe their partnership, is good and/or satisfactory. And my point is that the partnership has not been good nor satisfactory. So no, I’m not making it sound like well is good, quite the opposite.

Just because it’s marginally and negligibly more fruitful than the other partnerships doesn’t make it well. The partnerships/team play, in general, but in this case, specific to any combination of the front 3, has been far below par.

No I don’t define their partnership as good nor satisfactory. Being the only winger who worked well with Hojlund also doesn’t mean it’s good enough nor it’s satisfactory. It reflects how bad the rest of our wingers if Rashford is the only one who worked well with Hojlund when I also don’t think Rashford and Hojlund partnership have reach the level of satisfactory, hope this clear things up and it helps you to understand.

I also never understand why you would exclude the assists in champions league unless the reason is because it suits your narrative. Champions league is a top tier competition not europa league or conference league level.

 

[MUnitedGT]

No I don’t define their partnership as good nor satisfactory. Being the only winger who worked well with Hojlund also doesn’t mean it’s good enough nor it’s satisfactory. It reflects how bad the rest of our wingers if Rashford is the only one who worked well with Hojlund when I also don’t think Rashford and Hojlund partnership have reach the level of satisfactory, hope this clear things up and it helps you to understand.

I also never understand why you would exclude the assists in champions league unless the reason is because it suits your narrative. Champions league is a top tier competition not europa league or conference league level.

There's nothing more I can say if you can't understand the dictionary definition of a word.

I only excluded the assists in UCL as I didn't have data committed to memory or in front of me. My narrative doesn't change as his exploits in the UCL is also nigh negligible with context to the whole season. Cross completion EPL+UCL+FA+League Cup: 4/31 . Same point stands...

At the end of the day, we can agree that it has been unsatisfactory.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

There's nothing more I can say if you can't understand the dictionary definition of a word.

I only excluded the assists in UCL as I didn't have data committed to memory or in front of me. My narrative doesn't change as his exploits in the UCL is also nigh negligible with context to the whole season. Cross completion EPL+UCL+FA+League Cup: 4/31 . Same point stands...

At the end of the day, we can agree that it has been unsatisfactory.

What is a satisfactory cross completion? Seems to me like a % that is usually quite low? Could be wrong though.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Genuinely hoping that Mbappe goes to Real and PSG become interested in Rashford

 

[Marwood]

Watching that assist for Pogba from a few years back, the one from the right.

He's definitely lost some agility and lightness of foot from then.

 

[MUnitedGT]

What is a satisfactory cross completion? Seems to me like a % that is usually quite low? Could be wrong though.

Per Opta, it just has to come from a wide position with a degree of lateral movement into a more central area, targeting and reaching a teammate directly without interference from opposition.

By nature, creative attacking passes in the final third have lower success rate than passes in other areas of the pitch. For comparison, Gabriel Martinelli (right footed left winger) crosses for 23/24 is so far: 23/85 (27%); but general passing is 85.4% over the same period.

 

[united for life]

The weird thing is his lack of progress dribbling past players. He seems to put his head down and run at defenders. He has absolutely no clue of what is happening around him or in the box when be does that. His lack of awareness hurts us a lot. Hojlund must benefit from crosses to the box and rashford offers so little in that aspect.

i feel he is not interested, or maybe he lacks motivation. I expected him to be someone who lifts the team, but i was wrong. He is so inconsistent and lacks leadership

 

[United888]

There's nothing more I can say if you can't understand the dictionary definition of a word.

I only excluded the assists in UCL as I didn't have data committed to memory or in front of me. My narrative doesn't change as his exploits in the UCL is also nigh negligible with context to the whole season. Cross completion EPL+UCL+FA+League Cup: 4/31 . Same point stands...

At the end of the day, we can agree that it has been unsatisfactory.

Words can be defined in various way in a sentence. What you defined is different to what I was referring to so I‘m being friendly by taking this as misunderstanding of how you interpreted it. Hence why I was willing to explained enough what I was referring to but you still refused to understand.

You didn’t have the data committed in front of you because it didn’t suit your narrative.

At the end I don’t have the difficulty to agree with you it has been unsatisfactory but you have the difficulty to agree with me that Rashford did better for Hojlund than the rest of our wingers.

 

[justsomebloke]

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To clarify, I meant Rashford has 0 assists to Hojlund in the league. Think he has something like 2 successful crosses on 7% accuracy (again, in the league). 1 of these is the one vs Luton, from which Hojlund, while probably could've and should’ve done better, didn’t miss. Shot was on target and saved.

Chance creation from most of our wingers in general, but specifically for the CF, is a rampant issue overall. But the others aren’t on salary Rashford is on, or considered a ‘talisman’/star, while not putting in effort in pressing or tracking back.

Then you're talking about successful crosses into the penalty area. He has 1, not 2. I'm assuming the accuracy number comes from calculating his assumed 2 successful crosses into the PA with his overall number of attempted crosses (28), which is indeed 7%. This is of course completely meaningless, as the 28 are attempted crosses across the whole pitch, not just into the penalty area. There are no data on Fbref at least that allows you to see the completion % of specific types of passes, such as crosses.

Anyway, a fairly important piece of context there is that other than Bruno or Dalot, nobody else has more than 2 completed CrPA. Crossing into the penalty area is not generally something our wide forwards do. Garnacho and Antony have 2 each, Pellistri, Sancho and Amad 0. A completed cross into the penalty area from a wide forward is in other words something that happens roughly once every four PL games. Of the 32 we've made in total, Bruno and Dalot have 19 of them. It seems pretty likely to me that this mainly reflects a conscious choice and a matter of playing style, rather than ineptitude on the part of our wide forwards.

Also, CrsPA isn't a great proxy for Rashford's (or other wide forwards) ability to set up Højlund, since it only takes account of passes from outside the box. Often, a key pass like that would come from the inside.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

It's difficult to find cross competition stats available on open sites. I remember reading an article, a year back, comparing 21/22 stats with the first half of 22/23. The cross completion rate among the best 15–20 players in the PL varied between 20% and 30%.

One of the key points was how the struggle to find spaces in the middle of the park and the detailed focus on exploiting the half-spaces has led many midfielders to become key factors when it comes to putting well-timed and dangerous crosses in the box.

From there, it was highlighted that KdB had gone from a rather mediocre 17% in 21/22 to a whooping 30% success rate in (the first half of) 22/23. The question was to what degree had the introduction of Haaland and his impact on the tactics affected these stats. It's also worth noting that Bruno was somewhere around 25% in 21/22 whereas no United player could be found among the best crossers of the ball in (the first half of) 22/23. In 21/22, the whole team was trying to find Ronaldo in the box.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Watching his goals from last year and it’s amazing how much luck he had and how often when he was scoring these crazy low percentage chances there were team mates in far better positions that he could have found improving the possibility of us scoring.

Something has to change soon where either there is an acceptance he isn’t going to become the player he could be or he turns the corner and starts making better decisions and putting in the effort. Starting to think that its too late for him and not having a proper coach post LVG has ruined what he could have been.

He will hopefully have that moment of realisation soon because if not I can see him being replaced. Heck if Antony wasn’t as bad as he is or Greendemort wasn’t banished he’d probably already be 2nd choice as Garnacho is surely going to take that left wing spot next season. Unless of course Vinicius rocks up to OT

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Watching his goals from last year and it’s amazing how much luck he had and how often when he was scoring these crazy low percentage chances there were team mates in far better positions that he could have found improving the possibility of us scoring.

Something has to change soon where either there is an acceptance he isn’t going to become the player he could be or he turns the corner and starts making better decisions and putting in the effort. Starting to think that its too late for him and not having a proper coach post LVG has ruined what he could have been.

He will hopefully have that moment of realisation soon because if not I can see him being replaced. Heck if Antony wasn’t as bad as he is or Greendemort wasn’t banished he’d probably already be 2nd choice as Garnacho is surely going to take that left wing spot next season. Unless of course Vinicius rocks up to OT

I've just watched all his goals and assists from last season. And I really couldn't spot many occasions you are describing here. He scored all type of Goals last season, some of them with absolutely lethal finishing, even with his head.
Or do you really include goals like Arsenal away into your conclusion? Or the solo Goal vs Forrest away in the League Cup where he finished it off brilliantly with his left foot? Of course he should have passed it out to Antony of Weghorst there. I'm sure that would have went well.
You also completely ignore the assists he made last season.

The critics Rashford gets for his performances this season are fair and he mostly deserves it. But coming up with stuff like above is just ridiculous.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Missed training again today due to "illness".

Coincidentally, he was out at a nightclub earlier in the week. He's entitled to his free time, but not the sort of activities I'd expect from a player who has been having an abysmal season.

 

[Based Adnan]

Missed training again today due to "illness".

Coincidentally, he was out at a nightclub earlier in the week. He's entitled to his free time, but not the sort of activities I'd expect from a player who has been having an abysmal season.

Last time he was having an abysmal season he was telling fans to feck off and offering them out for a fight after they said 'come on lads, after that performance?'

 

[Castia]

Was spotted going into a nightclub Wednesday night and then missed training today due to illness

Absolute tool. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team squad.

 

[Pickle85]

Was spotted going into a nightclub Wednesday night and then missed training today due to illness

Absolute tool. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team squad.

Just because players are going into nightclubs doesn't mean that they're misbehaving. Does anyone have an issue with an adult going to a nightclub and drinking soft drinks?

 

[Castia]

Just because players are going into nightclubs doesn't mean that they're misbehaving. Does anyone have an issue with an adult going to a nightclub and drinking soft drinks?

Nightclub no but then missing training straight after? That’s bollocks.

Turn up for training and perform for the club I couldn’t give a feck if he flies out to Ibiza every evening but that’s not the case is it

 

[Pickle85]

Nightclub no but then missing training straight after? That’s bollocks.

Turn up for training and perform for the club I couldn’t give a feck if he flies out to Ibiza every evening but that’s not the case is it

I don't understand what you think happened. Are you suggesting that he was out on the booze or that he was sober but stayed up so late that he missed training two days later?

 

[Castia]

I don't understand what you think happened. Are you suggesting that he was out on the booze or that he was sober but stayed up so late that he missed training two days later?

Are you suggesting that everything is fine and there’s nothing to see here? Give me a break

If a player is seen clubbing on Wednesday night then missing his next training session questions should be asked

That’s the attitude we all want to see. Players out clubbing and missing training whilst doing absolutely feck all on the pitch what’s the problem in that?

 

[Pickle85]

Are you suggesting that everything is fine and there’s nothing to see here? Give me a break

If a player is seen clubbing on Wednesday night then missing his next training session questions should be asked

That’s the attitude we all want to see. Players out clubbing and missing training whilst doing absolutely feck all on the pitch what’s the problem in that?

But again what are you suggesting? Do you think he was on the booze? I'm just trying to understand what you think has happened.

He's been terrible this season but missing training due to illness is not the reason to be rubbishing him. There are plenty of other reasons.

 

[Castia]

But again what are you suggesting? Do you think he was on the booze? I'm just trying to understand what you think has happened.

He's been terrible this season but missing training due to illness is not the reason to be rubbishing him. There are plenty of other reasons.

Yeah it’s a terrible look. To miss training/work after being seen clubbing raises obvious questions in any walk of life never mind that of a pro player.

You know that I don’t know why this conversation is happening in all honesty

Are you suggesting that he shouldn’t even be questioned and this attitude is acceptable? Why don’t all the players just go out and miss training? What’s the problem?

 

[Herman Toothrot]

Was spotted going into a nightclub Wednesday night and then missed training today due to illness

Absolute tool. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team squad.

He was at a club on Wednesday then missed training two days later? You think he did a 24 hour bender with piles of gak, or think maybe it's just winter and there's a shit ton of COVID around?

Please. Speculate wildly.

 

[Pickle85]

Yeah it’s a terrible look. To miss training/work after being seen clubbing raises obvious questions in any walk of life never mind that of a pro player.

You know that I don’t know why this conversation is happening in all honesty

It was two days later ffs. Assuming you don't think he was out on the piss how much time between clubbing and missing training through illness is acceptable for you?

 

[Pickle85]

He was at a club on Wednesday then missed training two days later? You think he did a 24 hour bender with piles of gak, or think maybe it's just winter and there's a shit ton of COVID around?

Please. Speculate wildly.

Exactly. People are looking for things at this point and just letting themselves get whipped up by clickbait.

 

[Castia]

It was two days later ffs. Assuming you don't think he was out on the piss how much time between clubbing and missing training through illness is acceptable for you?

Nah it’s fine mate. Proper top attitude.

 

[Pickle85]

Nah it’s fine mate. Proper top attitude.

So you don't have an answer then. Good to know.

 

[Andy_Cole]

Getting Deja Vu. Is this the second time this has happened?

 

[kaku06]

Nah it’s fine mate. Proper top attitude.

Don’t bother. There’ll always some people with blind spot. The guy has an attitude problem for too long and just can’t be a top pro but these people will blame you for being a negative nancy.

 

[Shinjch]

Not a good look when business isn't being delivered on the pitch.

 

[Castia]

So you don't have an answer then. Good to know.

Can’t be bothered arguing when we aren’t going to agree. I think it shows a massive lack of professionalism at the very least and you don’t I’m not wasting my time /shrug

Must of really caught a cold on Thursday poor lad

 

[Castia]

Not a good look when business isn't being delivered on the pitch.

You can’t say that in here mate

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Can’t be bothered arguing when we aren’t going to agree. I think it shows a massive lack of professionalism at the very least and you don’t I’m not wasting my time /shrug

Must of really caught a cold on Thursday poor lad

Must have.

And sure it's entirely possible he caught something being out in public, whether that's at a club, a nice restaurant or going out to the shops. It's cold and flu season.

Players train all week and then play matches, what do you expect them to do with their downtime? More training so they can overdo it, get injured and then you can refer to them as a sick note or made of glass?

 

[Castia]

Getting Deja Vu. Is this the second time this has happened?

Yeah he was ill at the start of December and missed training..it was the session after he was dropped to the bench that he missed so again his attitude was questioned

 

[Castia]

Must have.

And sure it's entirely possible he caught something being out in public, whether that's at a club, a nice restaurant or going out to the shops. It's cold and flu season.

Players train all week and then play matches, what do you expect them to do with their downtime? More training so they can overdo it, get injured and then you can refer to them as a sick note or made of glass?

I couldn’t care if he went out and hit shit faced every night mate that’s not my issue. It’s the missing training (twice now in a little over a month through illness) and not performing whilst being seen out that’s the annoying part.