Westminster Politics

Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
£86k is a take home of £4800, if your mortgage goes from 16% of your take home to 41% of your take home I can see why you might have to look for more money.

Not that I have sympathy
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According to the tweet it is 118,600 what is slightly more than 6000 pounds. that is 72000. You spend 24000 in mortgage. That is 48,000 pounds left for the rest of your life. And as someone else points out, his wife has a job also contributing to the mortgage. Also, this mortgages will go down in a couple or 3 years, so nothing that a person in his position and accumulated wealth can't wing it.

Sure, your lifestyle might resent, but hardly a problem to quit the gig
 
4bars said:
According to the tweet it is 118,600 what is slightly more than 6000 pounds. that is 72000. You spend 24000 in mortgage. That is 48,000 pounds left for the rest of your life. And as someone else points out, his wife has a job also contributing to the mortgage. Also, this mortgages will go down in a couple or 3 years, so nothing that a person in his position and accumulated wealth can't wing it.

Sure, your lifestyle might resent, but hardly a problem to quit the gig
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Likely a cover/excuse
 
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Does this twat and that snake Lammy not realise it's ALREADY too late to worry about us Muslims not voting for them? They could practically give Palestine their own land, government and help rebuild thousands of homes and we would tell this #£*& to feck off. Can he bring back the babies? Yes him specifically, bring back the babies?

He might as well double down and help the Tories and Genocide Joe bombard Syria and Lebanon too.
 
Dumbstar said:
Does this twat and that snake Lammy not realise it's ALREADY too late to worry about us Muslims not voting for them? They could practically give Palestine their own land, government and help rebuild thousands of homes and we would tell this #£*& to feck off. Can he bring back the babies? Yes him specifically, bring back the babies?

He might as well double down and help the Tories and Genocide Joe bombard Syria and Lebanon too.
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They're in damage mode.

'We've got a responsibility to recognise a Palestinian state...'

'…and we need to work around the Israeli government because they have shown they're not partners for peace',
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RedTiger said:
They're in damage mode.


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They're in damage mode.


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It’s pretty fair to be honest. With my girlfriend being ethnically Jewish, and a descendant from a Holocaust death-camp survivor, our relationship has taken a hit since October 7th. She’s a politically motivated trailblazer and is 100% behind Palestine and resolutely anti-Zionist and hates Netanyahu…. But me wading in with big stompy boots after two weeks… nah. She wasn’t having it.

She’s taken her time to reset and we’ve attended the last 4 London marches together.

That’s two people, working out their tricky shit, in private.

Trying to wrangle a political party that’s spread across the totality of the UK, talking, deciding on next steps… it’s impressive that the party has been able to (mostly) sing from a neutral hymn sheet (a garbage hymn sheet In my opinion) and not react and change tact day to day. Thatwhat I need, want and expect from my government.

Streeting… I blow hot and cold on. Hearts in the right place but not in the same place as mine.

I don’t much like the fact that their responses seem to be dictated by polling. But also understand that they need to get elected.

I do truly believe that if they were in power right now, they’d be condemning Israel in the strongest terms. I actually think that we might be leading the western world in that opposition too.
 
Labour would have fundamentally different views if they held government power isn’t exactly a positive argument.

We all correctly laughed at Tory voters for thinking Boris solve brexit. But centre left people thinking Starmer will turn into Olof Palme when elected is just as laughable.
 
Sweet Square said:
Labour would have fundamentally different views if they held government power isn’t exactly a positive argument.

We all correctly laughed at Tory voters for thinking Boris solve brexit. But centre left people thinking Starmer will turn into Olof Palme when elected is just as laughable.
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Honestly I wonder if he's the opposite and could actually be more right wing than he's letting on.
 
Sweet Square said:
Labour would have fundamentally different views if they held government power isn’t exactly a positive argument.

We all correctly laughed at Tory voters for thinking Boris solve brexit. But centre left people thinking Starmer will turn into Olof Palme when elected is just as laughable.
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I see him more as the man to get labour in who one way or another will leave and make way for someone more left eventually.

Personally I'm fine with that.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
I see him more as the man to get labour in who one way or another will leave and make way for someone more left eventually.

Personally I'm fine with that.
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They will get absolutely feck all done because they will spend their term pandering to the right, terrified of losing their vote next time and guess what… both the right and the centre will have incredibly short memories and forgive the Tories anyway at the following election and the entire Labour government will have been a total waste of time.
 
If Labour condemns Israel, the right wing media and the Tories would be queuing up to bang the anti sematic drum. Rachel Riley would be writing attack tweets all day every day. Labour can do that if it is power but whilst trying to win an election? No chance.

My wife is a Muslim and she gets it, I find it difficult to believe that Muslims in the UK are going to let the Tories win the next election over an opposition party not condemning Israel, which would have no impact on Israel as Labour is not in power and has no power to do anything at this point.
 
Mart1974 said:
If Labour condemns Israel, the right wing media and the Tories would be queuing up to bang the anti sematic drum. Rachel Riley would be writing attack tweets all day every day. Labour can do that if it is power but whilst trying to win an election? No chance.

My wife is a Muslim and she gets it, I find it difficult to believe that Muslims in the UK are going to let the Tories win the next election over an opposition party not condemning Israel, which would have no impact on Israel as Labour is not in power and has no power to do anything at this point.
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it’s people wanting excuses to vote conservative or being unable to do anything other than be influenced by the media. happens every election. there’s a reason they keep getting in, because people keep voting for them, even if they say they won’t.
 
Tyrion said:
Honestly I wonder if he's the opposite and could actually be more right wing than he's letting on.
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Yep I’m thinking the same.

SalfordRed18 said:
I see him more as the man to get labour in who one way or another will leave and make way for someone more left eventually.

Personally I'm fine with that.
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If he gets to be PM I don’t think he would leave at all. And imo the issue isn’t just Starmer but the amount of right wing MPs and “left” mps who don’t believe in anything.

Tbh the years between 2015 - 2020 were both a failure at national elections and a failure to fundamentally change the party. It really showed the structural barriers to changing the party. Plus a membership base which is vaguely progressive but has no strong ideological stances.Voting in a knighted sir/former CPS director and expecting left wing policy is very labour brain.
 
Sweet Square said:
Yep I’m thinking the same.


If he gets to be PM I don’t think he would leave at all. And imo the issue isn’t just Starmer but the amount of right wing MPs and “left” mps who don’t believe in anything.

Tbh the years between 2015 - 2020 were both a failure at national elections and a failure to fundamentally change the party. It really showed the structural barriers to changing the party. Plus a membership base which is vaguely progressive but has no strong ideological stances.Voting in a knighted sir/former CPS director and expecting left wing policy is very labour brain.
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Yep and Starmer is just basically another Cameron and Johnson empty vessel who has no personal values, just sails along with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly right wing press, just in the other side's colours. It's more depressing when you post those old clips of him, which put together made it look like there was potentially a decent leader in there once.
 
Jippy said:
Yep and Starmer is just basically another Cameron and Johnson empty vessel who has no personal values, just sails along with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly right wing press, just in the other side's colours. It's more depressing when you post those old clips of him, which put together made it look like there was potentially a decent leader in there once.
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He was sailing with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly left wing Unions to reach Labour leader.
 
Sweet Square said:
Yep I’m thinking the same.


If he gets to be PM I don’t think he would leave at all. And imo the issue isn’t just Starmer but the amount of right wing MPs and “left” mps who don’t believe in anything.

Tbh the years between 2015 - 2020 were both a failure at national elections and a failure to fundamentally change the party. It really showed the structural barriers to changing the party. Plus a membership base which is vaguely progressive but has no strong ideological stances.Voting in a knighted sir/former CPS director and expecting left wing policy is very labour brain.
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The day he gets elected his priority becomes re-election. He won't think he can do that by suddenly changing his opinions back to the lies that got him the leadership, he'll absolutely double down.

At least the bankers will be okay.

 
Pexbo said:
He was sailing with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly left wing Unions to reach Labour leader.
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Certainly seems that way. My choices this year are voting for a candidate I dislike versus a candidate I despise. I'm sure many others feel the same or despise vs despise more.
 
Labour have been pretty inconsistent with their views on Israel. My local MP Kerry McCarthy has been asking for a peace deal from day one and is still the shadow secretary for climate change. I guess she just hasn't caused a headline on Twitter yet, but that's hardly a reasoning for the party to clamp down on the party line sometimes, but not always.
 
rimaldo said:
it’s people wanting excuses to vote conservative or being unable to do anything other than be influenced by the media. happens every election. there’s a reason they keep getting in, because people keep voting for them, even if they say they won’t.
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True enough.
 
Balljy said:
Labour have been pretty inconsistent with their views on Israel. My local MP Kerry McCarthy has been asking for a peace deal from day one and is still the shadow secretary for climate change. I guess she just hasn't caused a headline on Twitter yet, but that's hardly a reasoning for the party to clamp down on the party line sometimes, but not always.
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But the moment she dares to mention the 'G' word (despite the increasing evidence of the reality reflecting that), she'll get the boot.

They've been pretty consistent to appease the Rachel Rileys of the country and nothing more. All we're seeing now is some mild backtracking on the back of some internal polling panic that suggests they'll lose a substantial number of votes on the back of this issue. If or when they get into power, it'll be the usual pandering to the right wing media and purging dissenting voices.
 
Kaos said:
But the moment she dares to mention the 'G' word (despite the increasing evidence of the reality reflecting that), she'll get the boot.

They've been pretty consistent to appease the Rachel Rileys of the country and nothing more. All we're seeing now is some mild backtracking on the back of some internal polling panic that suggests they'll lose a substantial number of votes on the back of this issue. If or when they get into power, it'll be the usual pandering to the right wing media and purging dissenting voices.
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Yeah, that's a definite if she brought up genocide she would be out. I checked her Twitter after posting that, and I noticed that she had been quiet on the platform about Israel for a while now, although she has brought up a peace deal in parliament a few times into this year.

Agreed that it looks like they're going to flip to another policy again as the old one isn't working. It makes me wonder what these MP's say about Starmer behind the scenes as I know my one is pretty outspoken about Gaza locally.
 
Mart1974 said:
If Labour condemns Israel, the right wing media and the Tories would be queuing up to bang the anti sematic drum. Rachel Riley would be writing attack tweets all day every day. Labour can do that if it is power but whilst trying to win an election? No chance.

My wife is a Muslim and she gets it, I find it difficult to believe that Muslims in the UK are going to let the Tories win the next election over an opposition party not condemning Israel, which would have no impact on Israel as Labour is not in power and has no power to do anything at this point.
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Mart, appreciate what you're saying and I get it that you're trying to understand things from a different perspective.

But one thing British Muslims don't need is to be White-splained what they're/we're going through. (I realise I'm racistly guessing you are white but it's nothing to do with your race personally).

Your wife's opinions are hers alone.
 
Jippy said:
Yep and Starmer is just basically another Cameron and Johnson empty vessel who has no personal values, just sails along with the prevailing winds of the overwhelmingly right wing press, just in the other side's colours. It's more depressing when you post those old clips of him, which put together made it look like there was potentially a decent leader in there once.
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I can see why people voted for him in the leadership race as he did run the best campaign. I just don’t understand why the likes of Cameron, Johnson and Starmer do this job. Spending so much of their life activity trying to change nothing. Wouldn’t they be happier in a private sector job without all the attention. It’s very strange to me.

At least with Thatcher or Corbyn they wanted to change the country so all the misery they went through was for something bigger.

Herman Toothrot said:
The day he gets elected his priority becomes re-election. He won't think he can do that by suddenly changing his opinions back to the lies that got him the leadership, he'll absolutely double down.

At least the bankers will be okay.

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Yep agree with you. The right wing shift will only get worse when they get power.
 
Sweet Square said:
I can see why people voted for him in the leadership race as he did run the best campaign. I just don’t understand why the likes of Cameron, Johnson and Starmer do this job. Spending so much of their life activity trying to change nothing. Wouldn’t they be happier in a private sector job without all the attention. It’s very strange to me.

At least with Thatcher or Corbyn they wanted to change the country so all the misery they went through was for something bigger.


Yep agree with you. The right wing shift will only get worse when they get power.
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Have you seen Johnson and Cameron’s bank balances since leaving office?
 
Dumbstar said:
Mart, appreciate what you're saying and I get it that you're trying to understand things from a different perspective.

But one thing British Muslims don't need is to be White-splained what they're/we're going through. (I realise I'm racistly guessing you are white but it's nothing to do with your race personally).

Your wife's opinions are hers alone.
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Jesus. What has colour got to do with Islam? This is a ridiculous response.
 
Mart1974 said:
If Labour condemns Israel, the right wing media and the Tories would be queuing up to bang the anti sematic drum. Rachel Riley would be writing attack tweets all day every day. Labour can do that if it is power but whilst trying to win an election? No chance.

My wife is a Muslim and she gets it, I find it difficult to believe that Muslims in the UK are going to let the Tories win the next election over an opposition party not condemning Israel, which would have no impact on Israel as Labour is not in power and has no power to do anything at this point.
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The problem is that people are selfish morons who only care about their own self interests. Yes, you will have people like your wife who are compassionate about other people, but you will also get people who couldn't give a feck and just care about their bank balance. That doesn't mean an entire community will vote one way or another, everyone will have their own reasoning. Some will most certainly take what's happening in Gaza into account, other's won't give a damn. That's just how life and society are in the World right now.
 
If Labour do get elected, on which day will they announce , "actually we're only kidding, we're not the New Conservatives." The following day the Daily Mail hails them and forgets how much they hate Labour." Sounds plausible - not.

Instead of Labour offering nothing, why not get a leader who does offer some sort of hope? No - too scary, right wing press will stop him getting elected.

This makes no sense.
 
RedSky said:
The problem is that people are selfish morons who only care about their own self interests. Yes, you will have people like your wife who are compassionate about other people, but you will also get people who couldn't give a feck and just care about their bank balance. That doesn't mean an entire community will vote one way or another, everyone will have their own reasoning. Some will most certainly take what's happening in Gaza into account, other's won't give a damn. That's just how life and society are in the World right now.
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I think I am making the same point. I am sure many people will be rightfully upset about Gaza and that will be across communities, viewpoints and creeds. I am not sure that it will be the single issue that will make people abstain or vote for a specific party though and if it means voting against a party who can currently do nothing about the Gaz situation then it is a ridiculous hill to die on
 
Paul the Wolf said:
If Labour do get elected, on which day will they announce , "actually we're only kidding, we're not the New Conservatives." The following day the Daily Mail hails them and forgets how much they hate Labour." Sounds plausible - not.

Instead of Labour offering nothing, why not get a leader who does offer some sort of hope? No - too scary, right wing press will stop him getting elected.

This makes no sense.
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Look at PMQs today. Every attach response from Sunak was on the 28 billion green pledge, all the right wing press are running with it in a client journalism co-ordinated attack. Starmer has to be incredibly cautious about any position he takes
 
Mart1974 said:
Look at PMQs today. Every attach response from Sunak was on the 28 billion green pledge, all the right wing press are running with it in a client journalism co-ordinated attack. Starmer has to be incredibly cautious about any position he takes
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But if he's cautious today then when does the caution stop. That's what I mean. If he changes tack on whatever subject then he's going to get slaughtered by the right wing press. If he does nothing whatosever he'll get slaughtered by the right wing press. If he does anything he'll get slaughtered by the right wing press.

Having someone in power who offers nothing other than "not being the Tories" is pointless. Labour will be out of power in 2029 for another 10/15 years and the whole cycle will repeat.
The Tories have never been in such a weak position in recent times and the opportunity should be seized by someone who has got the guts to make serious changes. But everyone knows that won't happen with Starmer.
 



Why doesn't Starmer tell him that an Interest Only Mortgage, doesn't pay your mortgage off, it only gives free money to your mortgage provider. I know that it can be used short term to help you if you are up shite creak but it's not the great answer that the Tories seem to think it is.
 
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