True. I thought 3 out of 9 at best. Credit to him we're playing well now that we have some important players back.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Even with less injuries we still look very poorly coached with the ball and disorganised without it. I’m not seeing what he brings that is anything special or that will really take us forward.
Got a bit lucky today but a win is a win and he maybe could still do enough this season to keep his job. Whether him staying would be a good or bad thing I still lean towards the latter.
Got a bit lucky today but a win is a win and he maybe could still do enough this season to keep his job. Whether him staying would be a good or bad thing I still lean towards the latter.
I have erred towards EtH out at times this season but nobody has anything to complain about after that.
Hostile atmosphere against a well-coached, high-energy side full of internationals.
Yeah we're not a complete side. We've three starters who are 21 or under and it looks like Casemiro and Varane are on borrowed time but it's looking less like "major rebuild" and more like "keyhole surgery" to me based on the last few games with our best squad available.
None of that means I'm convinced on EtH, it's simply me stating I don't understand why this performance in particular has people whingeing
Hostile atmosphere against a well-coached, high-energy side full of internationals.
Yeah we're not a complete side. We've three starters who are 21 or under and it looks like Casemiro and Varane are on borrowed time but it's looking less like "major rebuild" and more like "keyhole surgery" to me based on the last few games with our best squad available.
None of that means I'm convinced on EtH, it's simply me stating I don't understand why this performance in particular has people whingeing
I think certain members of the fanbase are so against the manager they’re genuinely gutted we won today.
It wasn’t a vintage performance but it was hardly a fluke either, I thought we were deserving of the result and if not for a few fluffed Garnacho chances we could’ve got another.
It wasn’t a vintage performance but it was hardly a fluke either, I thought we were deserving of the result and if not for a few fluffed Garnacho chances we could’ve got another.
So this is where you contradict yourself.
Martinez is again missing and Shaw was subbed at half time.
Yet you’re here complaining.
So which is it? You want to give some time when the main players important to the system are fit or you don’t?
Shaw played the first half, where we were already struggling. Casemiro and Mainoo have been playing regularly.
If it's the case that he will need every single one of the first XI to see the real football he plays, how often is that going to happen?
So 6 points more than Villa or 7 more than Spurs in the next 14 games likely saves his job. (if 5th gets CL)
Can he do it?
The football will have to be a lot better to have a chance in my opinion.
Can he do it?
The football will have to be a lot better to have a chance in my opinion.
Wasn't a bad game in terms of our initial approach and mid-game adjustments, but we certainly rode our luck a lot during the game. Once Villa figured out our two deepest midfielders are just blindly following their counterparts, their wingers were finding space behind Mainoo - Casemiro all game. Having a longer spell of possession at the end helped to calm the game down, but we can still do way better I think. Onwards and upwards.
I don’t understand how that’s a straw man. You insinuated we are a great team because we were able to win despite being outplayed. We’re not. We were a bit lucky. In fact, given our goal difference, we’ve been outplayed in most games this season in the league. We have a negative xG for the season and we’re 9th in xG differential. This is from multiple sources, mind you. If Arsenal or City or Liverpool play poorly and win, I grant you the “great” status. A team that’s 6th in the table and 13 points off the top of the table, no.
What you are talking about is a truly great team that has played shit during the first 60 minutes of a match and comes from behind in the last 15-20 minutes to win.
Example: I believe it was 2008 or 2009, we were either in 2nd or 1st, playing away at Fulham, and we were down and just playing awful for us and Ronaldo took charge and just ran at Fulham for 20 straight minutes, just a classic SAF “throw everything at them” type of match. We won 2-1 in classic Fergie time.
Another 23 shots against us though, this is unsustainable. We do not control any games with arguably our best front 6. It’s a coaching issue that ETH still hasn’t sorted out. I don’t think he can coach control in the Premier League.
You said yourself you wanted to give time for Casemiro, Martinez and Shaw to get on the pitch together and see an extended run from Mainoo?
So you’re happy you’ve seen enough in the two games that happened to make your mind up?
I think overall his time here has been good. I’m really happy with him.
? Did we handle Villa’s press well today? What adjustments did Ten Hag make in positioning his fullbacks, Casemiro, Mainoo? Seriously, were we watching the same match?He hasn't coached a team on how to play through a high press? What bollocks is that
It seems the murmurings about INEOS sacking him have died down. I think he might get to start next season but we need to make club signings rather than hag ones.
100%. Don't say it though, you'll get accused of not been happy that we won.
I want him to stay but I will admit, I have concerns. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m quite sure we have had more games were we had less of the ball than our opponents.
How can we be this bad on the ball. I know we are technically a poor team but it’s concerning.
How can we be this bad on the ball. I know we are technically a poor team but it’s concerning.
Well, it could be worse. Against City at home they had 22 shots letting only 2 against them.
He had 50% of his first choice defence fit, and in spite of that, yes we did fine. We did get caught out on a couple occasions, all involving Lindelof who was a CB forced to play as a left back.
Seriously it's insane how much you're clutching at straws.
He is lucky but has a 61.5% win rate over 96 games 
I'm sorry, did we lose today? Feels like it reading the usual tripe from the usual posters in here....
Martinez is the only one missing now. Yes. The rest returning is enough to see improvement. So you want me to hold off on judging his coaching because one of the injured players is still injured for another 2 months, never mind the fact everyone else is available?You said yourself you wanted to give time for Casemiro, Martinez and Shaw to get on the pitch together and see an extended run from Mainoo?
So you’re happy you’ve seen enough in the two games that happened to make your mind up?
Couldn’t tell if we won or lost in this thread.
We absolutely were not struggling in the first half ffs
it was a really even half where I thought we played well.Villa 56% possession 23 shots 10 on goal 10 corners 3 saves xG 2.68
Utd 44% possession 17 shots 5 on goal 8 corners 8 saves xG 1.99
It’s funny how you ignore results when defending Ten Hag in a loss, but point to results when we win.
‘Nuance. We can simultaneously be happy for Ten Hag and the team, but still be unconvinced that he’s the answer. If intellectually you can’t comprehend that, there’s nothing more to say.
Good win for the team. If we can rip off 3 wins over Luton, Forest and Fulham, we should be even closer to top 4.
They’ve only lost twice at home in the league, they are 6th in the league. It was never going to be an easy game. City got trounced when they played there.
Just the usual lot who have an agenda against the manager no matter what the result is.
After we scored, you thought we were even with them? They kept coming at us, while we didn't do anything. How is that even?We absolutely were not struggling in the first half ffs
You do you. If you don’t like Ten Hag just say so.
So long as Mctominay doesn’t get more game time I’m sure you’ll be happy.
And then we came back in to it before half time again, hence why it was even
You can see the frothing at the mouth of some when we scored the winner. Must have ruined their planned moaning posts they would had lined up.
Only the results are black and white.
I don't see why we cannot discuss ETH and his coaching irrespective of results?
I mean I thought we played very well against Arsenal (lost 3-1) and first half against Spurs (lost 2-0)
What's wrong with objectively discussing the performance irrespective of the result?
Would people keep him if we finish 4th/5th? Or would it require Fa Cup win as well?
Could a win be a loss?
That's your problem. You only look at it either ETH in or out.
I love ETH and I think he is a great coach, which is why it surprises me how we perform. I call it the way I see it, the performances. Just because I don't think this performance is not good doesn't mean I don't like ETH. How about when I thought we played well against Arsenal and Spurs away even though we lost? What does that mean?
And trophies are for egos right?
Then we have to agree to disagree. I was not one bit surprised that they equalized. Saw it coming from a mile off.
Hi might
This is not a cup competition is it?
To get 4th/5th performances will have to be better. So they'd go hand in hand really and he'd keep his job.
I agree RE Villa, really good side. However this is not isolated.
West Ham (H) - 22 shots conceded. Clear cut chances missed.
Wolves (A) - 22 shots conceded. 3 goals conceded.
Newport fecking County (A) - 17 shots conceded. 2 goals conceded.
Spurs (A) - 16 shots conceded. 2 goals conceded.
I can go on! Every team creates so much against us, and controls the game against us for the majority of the 90 mins.
We don’t control any games!
Look at how Arsenal, Liverpool and City nullify threat by controlling the game IN AND OUT of possession. We are nowhere near it after nearly 18 months of ETH being Head Coach.