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British politics is hilarious.

Massive victory for Labour with a 26% swing in Blackpool South and the new MP has to give his speech surrounded by Monster Raving Loony candidate in his full get up, and some random independent mentalist who couldn't behave himself, both of which got less than 150 votes
 

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Drainy said:
British politics is hilarious.

Massive victory for Labour with a 26% swing in Blackpool South and the new MP has to give his speech surrounded by Monster Raving Loony candidate in his full get up, and some random independent mentalist who couldn't behave himself, both of which got less than 150 votes
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Always funny :lol: didn’t Boris Johnson have a great one with count bin face?
 

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So I don't really understand this vote.

So it's council votes, to win seats etc, but do you win seats by percentage?
Lets say if a council has 10 seats and labour gets a 50% vote, they get 5 seats
 

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No votes in our area except PCC, which I didn't bother with as I think it's a joke of a role. Probably could have voted Green for that, but don't want the position to be supported by my vote.

Blackpool South was a bit of a thumping then.
 

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Rishi is toast. Just bite the bullet and call the GE now.
Can’t see how the Tories don’t split.
 
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Igor Drefljak said:
So I don't really understand this vote.

So it's council votes, to win seats etc, but do you win seats by percentage?
Lets say if a council has 10 seats and labour gets a 50% vote, they get 5 seats
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Each seat is an area or ward in a council area so all the parties fight these seats individually. It’s whoever gets the most votes in that ward then they get the seat.
 

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It's strange how this annihalation could actually speed-up the calling of a GE, because as soon as Sunak gets anywhere near the number of letters needed, he'll just call a GE and dissolve the Parliament!

Imagine a situation where you could hold the General Election as a Joker card against your own MPs!!!
 

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It's strange how this annihalation could actually speed-up the calling of a GE, because as soon as Sunak gets anywhere near the number of letters needed, he'll just call a GE and dissolve the Parliament!

Imagine a situation where you could hold the General Election as a Joker card against your own MPs!!!
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It's a crisis. We've got a government who are salting the earth for the next one and there's little anyone can do but thump them when we have the chance.
 

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Jericholyte2 said:
It's strange how this annihalation could actually speed-up the calling of a GE, because as soon as Sunak gets anywhere near the number of letters needed, he'll just call a GE and dissolve the Parliament!

Imagine a situation where you could hold the General Election as a Joker card against your own MPs!!!
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I don't think the amount of letters going in will be enough to trigger a vote and make Sunak call an election in spite. Most are resigned to their fate at this point and just want to ride the gravy train for as long as possible before being booted out. Unfortunately, we're still in for another half a year at most of this shambles.
 

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I don't think the amount of letters going in will be enough to trigger a vote and make Sunak call an election in spite. Most are resigned to their fate at this point and just want to ride the gravy train for as long as possible before being booted out. Unfortunately, we're still in for another half a year at most of this shambles.
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Yeah. Enough of them will want to hold on to that salary and benefits for as long as possible, and a bunch are stepping down at the next election because they know they'll get thumped. Seems to me they'll just keep on going as long as possible. And I'm sure there's still some deluded enough and wrapped in their own bubble to at least think there'll some arrest of the decline if they get the Rwanda thing going.

Whether Sunak would be strong enough to call a GE in the event is another matter, personally I think he's too weak to do it.
 

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Adisa said:
Rishi is toast. Just bite the bullet and call the GE now.
Can’t see how the Tories don’t split.
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He is waiting for the first aircraft to take off with a couple of immigrants on route to that Safe country Rwanda.
Won't work. People already know the true cost of the policy.

Just like he is claiming credit for the drop in inflation. Won't work. People already know that is nothing to do with the government. The Bank of England are responsible for setting the high level of interest rates.

The plan is working... stick with the plan....
 

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Not 100% rosey for Labour. Signs of a collapse in Muslim support, for obvious reasons.
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Not just muslims, I voted green for the first time in my life for the same reasons, but may switch back to Labour for the GE, I need to think about it. But it's much easier to register a protest against Labour in local elections.
 

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As expected, voter ID is having the desired effect in London.

Apparently turnout was around 33% and the exit poll put Sadiq Khan's lead at around 7%, rather than the 20-25% he had held throughout the campaign.
 

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As expected, voter ID is having the desired effect in London.

Apparently turnout was around 33% and the exit poll put Sadiq Khan's lead at around 7%, rather than the 20-25% he had held throughout the campaign.
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I wish people would understand how to vote by post more, a lot easier to vote and you don’t need ID.
 

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I wish people would understand how to vote by post more, a lot easier to vote and you don’t need ID.
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I had my local mayor visit and sign me up for postal voting and had someone follow up with me to check if I was voting.

Really impressed with the Labour organisation I'm my area
 

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@Frosty and @The Boy
Thank you both for the information provided on voting ID etc.

It would seem from what you both say that the purpose of providing ID for voting is suspect in itself, but that if it is purely to prevent fraud, then the postal system is more likely to abuse, since despite all sorts of hurdles for the postal voter to overcome, no one can be absolutely sure that votes received that way are made by the person entitled.

It would seem that being eligible to vote and being able to vote are in fact two separate problems, where absolute identification is required for one, but not the other. Both of which could be seen as voter suppression issues.
 

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Frosty said:
As expected, voter ID is having the desired effect in London.

Apparently turnout was around 33% and the exit poll put Sadiq Khan's lead at around 7%, rather than the 20-25% he had held throughout the campaign.
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That's not down to just voter ID. For the first time me and the family (all 5 of us) voted Green. We all had our IDs, young to old. And I know Sadiq well as I may have mentioned many times. Anti-genocide voters just can't put an X next to a genocide party regardless of Sadiq's own stance on the subject. He needs to leave the Labour party.
 

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@Frosty and @The Boy
Thank you both for the information provided on voting ID etc.

It would seem from what you both say that the purpose of providing ID for voting is suspect in itself, but that if it is purely to prevent fraud, then the postal system is more likely to abuse, since despite all sorts of hurdles for the postal voter to overcome, no one can be absolutely sure that votes received that way are made by the person entitled.

It would seem that being eligible to vote and being able to vote are in fact two separate problems, where absolute identification is required for one, but not the other. Both of which could be seen as voter suppression issues.
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When someone submits a postal vote they need to sign it and put their date of birth. It must then match the ones the Council have on file for them when they registered. That’s how you check it’s from them. If they mark their date of birth or signature incorrectly, they get written to after the election saying their vote was rejected and to provide fresh identifiers. Having worked in elections for many years, it’s a secure way to vote.
 

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That's not down to just voter ID. For the first time me and the family (all 5 of us) voted Green. We all had our IDs, young to old. And I know Sadiq well as I may have mentioned many times. Anti-genocide voters just can't put an X next to a genocide party regardless of Sadiq's own stance on the subject. He needs to leave the Labour party.
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A fair point. It sounds like the Tories will hold on to the West Midlands mayoralty for the same reason:

"Labour sources in Birmingham are saying they believe the Conservative West Midlands mayor Andy Street is going to hold on to his post as Muslim voters turn away from the party over its stance on Gaza.

West Midlands is not counting until tomorrow, but one Labour source in the city said:

Street will win due to the Middle East, not because of his success in the West Midlands.
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It’s thought many Muslim voters may have voted for independent candidate, Akhmed Yakoob, who some are saying could come third in some areas of the city.

Last week Yakoob, a lawyer, was joined by George Galloway on the campaign trail targeting disillusioned Muslim voters with a strong focus on Gaza."
 

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That quote above is from The Guardian.

The BBC is carrying a slightly different quote from a 'party source'. It is amazing:

"It’s the Middle East, not West Midlands, that will have won [Conservative candidate] Andy Street the mayoralty. Once again Hamas are the real villains."

@Dumbstar
 

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I’ve never heard such a shameful excuse in my life.
 

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Man it's going to be tough voting for Starmer's Labour but we kind of just have to do it. Through extremely gritted teeth.
 
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