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Everton..Add Fulham to his errors list..
And Bolton..
Everton..Add Fulham to his errors list..
And Bolton..
Yeah, I think if he read these posts he'd be pretty guttedI hope Evans does not read this forum. The amount of battering he is receiving here will want him to leave football all together.
Johnny Evans you piece of shit. Has been shit all season. Worthless piece of crap.
We are talking about Evans being the fecking future of our defense. He is a worthless piece of shit. feck off Evans!
No one can be hailed 5th. He is dead last now.Which is the knee jerk, evans being world class or evans being shit flop?
Last season he was hailed as the next Rio, and now he was hailed as 5th in the pecking order.
Surely one of the above is a knee jerk, should we poll on that?
Not necessarily as he keeps showing usGeez, it's the fecking Carling Cup. The way I see it, less game for us so we could focused on more important achievement. Do you honestly think that Evans would go being awesome for United every single season?
Honestly, the comments here is like we never had young players having a bad patch of form. He's a very very good player like he showed us last season, and he's only 22. The only way from here is up.
he wasn't even that good last season either, some people here are over-rating him. He was outmuscled by Samba on the weekend, Cole an out of form striker p1ssed all over him today, cleary shot in confidence but he hasn't got the physical edge to compete with the more powerful strikers.Geez, it's the fecking Carling Cup. The way I see it, less game for us so we could focused on more important achievement. Do you honestly think that Evans would go being awesome for United every single season?
Honestly, the comments here is like we never had young players having a bad patch of form. He's a very very good player like he showed us last season, and he's only 22. The only way from here is up.
He wasn't first choice. His games has been sparsely this season apart from the time Rio was out at the start of the season. He played about 7 games and probably shit in half of them. Shocking horror! 3-4 shit games from a third choice 22 years old centerbackNot necessarily as he keeps showing us
Eh? He was part of a record clean sheet defence, so I'd say he was pretty good for a young player. He clearly can overcome powerful strikers as he had managed against one of them in Drogba. Sure some people were overrating him then, but some people are also underrating him now. As we learn from Berbatov situation, raised confidence would do a player a hell lot of good.he wasn't even that good last season either, some people here are over-rating him. He was outmuscled by Samba on the weekend, Cole an out of form striker p1ssed all over him today, cleary shot in confidence but he hasn't got the physical edge to compete with the more powerful strikers.
he needs to get his **** together or he will find himself being shown the door.
I doubt they're much harsher than what he was told by management after the gameYeah, I think if he read these posts he'd be pretty gutted
Its very worrying, because straight up defending is his strong point and everything else is a weak point. When he cant even do a decent job defending... Spells trouble.Wasn't that defender supposed to be "the best young CB in the world" ?
Last season he wasn't that good either.I can understand having bad games but the mistakes he makes are worrying.We're talking about the fundamentals of defending.
Hopefully he'll cut them out
He looked a very good prospect next to Rio and Vida. But on form these are two of the very best CBs in the world capable of walking their partner through most kinds of matches. Next to anyone else he's not looked even half as good. I think its fair to mention Smalling hasnt looked quite as good when not paired with our top CBs too, but he's still looked good. Not completely and utterly useless.
He was also fantastic at Sunderland. To the point where most of the fans on their forum wanted them to break their transfer record to try to keep a hold of him. Some (although on the minority) were even saying they should offer him captaincy because of how well he marshalled their defence.I've never rated him, the only times he has looked reasonable is when he was surrounded by our best players over a year ago when we peaked. The hype over him was ridiculous and unfounded.
That's just such typical Ekeke logic.I used to watch him at Sunderland and while he played fantastically for a young defender, he still made plenty of mistakes. Mistakes which were much less of an occurance next to Rio and Vida and why he was rated so highly.
Typical Pogue Mahone assumptions. I remember posting about a couple of his mistakes I watched him make at Sunderland. I may even recall one right now where he dived in for a challenge against Chelsea, didnt get the ball and the space was exploited behind him leading to a goal.That's just such typical Ekeke logic.
You've made up your mind that his inadequacies have been glossed over by playing alongside Rio and Vidic, so when it's pointed out what a huge hit he was at Sunderland you decide that actually he was making loads of mistakes for them too that were somehow obvious to your expert eye but too subtle for the average Mackem to pick up on.
Horseshit, from start to finish. Any sane person would admit that it's a fair point he played well at Sunderland without Vida and Rio so yes, you might be wrong about Evans needing to be carried but not you, oh no...
As I said, he was fantastic for a young defender. Fantastic, brilliant, whatever word you want to use. Just not perfect.Of course he made some mistakes at Sunderland. He was what, 19 when he went there. Name one central defender that didn't make mistakes at that age.
But they weren't regular mistakes, just the same as he wasn't making regular mistakes for the first 18 months after coming back here. Overall in all that time he was performing brilliantly considering his age and the amount of high-pressure matches he was playing against some of the best attackers in the world. It's only since around January that his performances have dropped off significantly.
Yes there is a difference - it's generally much harder playing in defence for Sunderland than for United. The exception is being exposed to more high pressure games - which Jonny has generally excelled at for United.There's a difference between playing well for the likes of Sunderland in front of those Mackems and playing well without first choice defenders at United.
I know loads of Sunderland fans and they all thought he was an absolute god. 'The mistakes are there' for any footballer, in any side.As I said, he did play really well for a young defender but the mistakes were still there. There's no need to try and rewrite history to make our players sound better but some feel the need.
Same with Foster and Watford fans. But he struggled in a team where we didnt have all our first choice defendersYes there is a difference - it's generally much harder playing in defence for Sunderland than for United. The exception is being exposed to more high pressure games - which Jonny has generally excelled at for United.
I know loads of Sunderland fans and they all thought he was an absolute god. 'The mistakes are there' for any footballer, in any side.
That couldn't be further from the truth. Loan players get a level of scrutiny and criticism that far exceeds that which is aimed at their own players. The fans can't wait to slag off a player who isn't even theirs to begin with.Same with Foster and Watford fans. But he struggled in a team where we didnt have all our first choice defenders
When you're a young player out on loan a lot of your mistakes are swept under the carpet because not everyone is watching you. Thats what happened with Evans. Had he have made his mistakes in the first team at United he'd have had threads questioning his ability even then, as do most our young players when they make a mistake for the first team
Should have been more specific. I meant they get swept under the carpet on here by our fans. Yeah other clubs tend to take a while to warm to them. But at the same time the clubs we tend to send players to arent used to particularly good players. So once they decide they are good, they can also go a bit over the top. "...for England!" etcThat couldn't be further from the truth. Loan players get a level of scrutiny criticism that far exceeds that which is aimed at their own players. Which is why those exact same Mackems were so quick to get on Welbeck's case earlier this season.
He just made very few mistakes at Sunderland, is all. He was Rio-like. However, that is an interesting example of the very peculiar English 'double perfect' conditional construction, so your post wasn't entirely without interestSame with Foster and Watford fans. But he struggled in a team where we didnt have all our first choice defenders
When you're a young player out on loan a lot of your mistakes are swept under the carpet because not everyone is watching you. Thats what happened with Evans. Had he have made his mistakes in the first team at United he'd have had threads questioning his ability even then, as do most our young players when they make a mistake for the first team
Alright, if he was Rio-like how do you want to explain his lack of on the ball skill? Something Rio is know for. He was nothing like Rio and hasnt become any closer.He just made very few mistakes at Sunderland, is all. He was Rio-like. However, that is an interesting example of the very peculiar English 'double perfect' conditional construction, so your post wasn't entirely without interest
I doubt he will out till February. That is a long time. The lad is lacking in confidence. That is why the match against West Ham was important. If we had won, there is a possibility we could had a weak team next. So we could have played him again and he MIGHT have done better.I think Fergie will just take him completely out of the firing line for a while. I'll be somewhat surprised if we see him again in the first team (barring a lot of injuries) before February, it's time just to take him out and give him time to get his head right.
He mightnt have been quite as smooth as Rio was on the ball but he was still a very cool and composed player on the ball, and especially for one so young. That was really the most notable thing about his first couple of seasons. There was none of this dwelling on the ball and aimless hoofing that we're seeing at the minute.Alright, if he was Rio-like how do you want to explain his lack of on the ball skill? Something Rio is know for. He was nothing like Rio and hasnt become any closer.
Well I disagree. The first thing I noticed about him was his positioningHe mightnt have been quite as smooth as Rio was on the ball but he was still a very cool and composed player on the ball, and especially for one so young. That was really the most notable thing about his first couple of seasons. There was none of this dwelling on the ball and aimless hoofing that we're seeing at the minute.