There are data websites that do this for us so don't have to sit there and count ourselves
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He has all the talent in the world in the same way Bailly does. Or in other words they don't.
Lukaku is our most consistent goal scorer. Martial's goalscoring gets massively overrated on here, just because he has good finishing. Lukaku is deadly when there is space to attack, unfortunately his technical aspects are massively inconsistent. Martial almost never attacks space, and his touch is horrible when he is having an off day.
All I'm asking is for you to provide a link
Best I can find is transfermarkt and yes his numbers for CF are down slightly, Still his returns are very good. I'd be happy with him and Rashford in a front 2, with Martial as a Supporting Striker as mentioned.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/antho...verein=985&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
I looked at transfermarkt and did a basic calculation which showed his returns are terrible as a CF. If they are our front 2 we will forever be knocking about in 6th.All I'm asking is for you to provide a link
Best I can find is transfermarkt and yes his numbers for CF are down slightly, Still his returns are very good. I'd be happy with him and Rashford in a front 2, with Martial as a Supporting Striker as mentioned.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/antho...verein=985&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
Well according to Transfermarkt he's played 44 times at CF, involved in 17 goals (10 goals, 7 assists)... Not that bad.
Doubt he's the type of player who reacts positively to criticism. Do you think Ole's recent comments will raise his game?
1 goal every 4.4 games as a CF... ”not that bad”.
I’d probably give him a run there now regardless because right now as a left forward, he looks like he’ll never find any true consistency under any manager so what on Earth do we do with him?
I really enjoyed reading your posts on Martial. I found them very informative and well balanced hence why I decided to join. I find Martial a little bit of an enigma. Huge talent and in my opinion a potential world class player.
There are some really good stats on the Premier league site - https://www.premierleague.com/stats. You can compare 2 players which is quite fun.
Some of the stats for Martial were real eye openers when compared to our forwards - Lukakau & Rashford and also Hazard. He actually played far more passes than Rashford with a high % forward even though he played far less minutes - 1/4 less. His defensive stats were better than Hazard's. His interceptions were superior to all 3 mentioned players. His overall attacking stats were up there with Hazard's if he had played the same no of minutes. That is something that will improve once he has a really good run of games.
It is his km's per game where he falls behind all 3 players perhaps but his output is far, far better than I expected it to be. Interesting read.
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He is just not a serious person, people speak of mentality and at this point I have to agree with them, I don't think he has the strong mentality to get to the top.
His game has not really improved in his time here.
His game has not really improved in his time here.
Why are you interested in their interceptions? They are not defenders. Do you not think that you are looking at this in a strange way? Firstly the reason Martial does not play enough minutes to match Hazards stats is because Martial is not currently good enough to hold down a place in our side! Some substitute strikers have better ratios than starters and the formula isn't just "play them more!" Also his stats still pale in comparison overall. Their goal return is similar per minute but Hazard has also created 5 times as many chances for his team, 6 times the assists as well as made 3 times the number of passes. Hazard is their playmaker. Hazard typically averages 4 dribbles per game to Martial 1.6. That's poor. So the only thing he offers is the odd goal but it's not so ground breaking. Basically the bit that he can do does not make up for all he cannot do. Also I don't know where the world class potential is coming from. He is being overtaken by younger players and there will be more. We should deffo keep him but I am not getting my hopes up.
You make some great points. I am not denying that their are still flaws in his game but we do buy potential more often than the finished product.
I am interested in interceptions because it suggests a good level of anticipation / an awareness of what is going on around him. I believe that the better players have a greater understanding/reading of the game. Carrick and Giggs for instance were masters of interceptions and I also remember them being roundly slated for lack of effort. Giggs used to endure endless 'lazy jibes' in the early days as well. Some players run a round more because they lack that awareness perhaps. For instance the Rashford breakaway in the Nou Camp - he brilliantly drew the defenders and there was a time to release to Martial whom had made a fantastic run. Rashford took the shot on himself. Yet if it had been around the other way I believe Martial would have looked to play that ball.
That is just my opinion and belief and only time will tell.
I don't see any difference between him and Salah at the same age for instance. Salah was 'over taken' by the likes of Oscar who were of a similar age when at Chelsea. Yet look at them now.
I have reached my 3 posts for the day but will continue to look out for any further observations you may have.
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I don't think Ole's comment are going to have any effect on him, but I think next season, we will see a much improved Martial. Ole has mentioned before, that he expects fitness level to be much higher and he will drill and try to get the best of out Martial that time.
Thanks, I tend to not go with the common opinions of many I know. I don't just take articles as gospel, folks need to look for themselves and form their own opinions. On almost any social media forum like here, twitter or FB it almost all reads the same, like something from 90 mins or talk sport. Basically comedic type articles with very little factual substance.
Funnily enough you mention Hazard. Pogba was also being slated a lot recently about his inability to retain possession. I was on another forum with a group of supporters saying it happens too much.
Reality is this.... (link provided)....
Salah & Hazard have lost possession more than Pogba, Sterling is only 2 dispossession behind him... but folks will run to forums to abuse Pogba. What's it based on? The facts prove otherwise and invariably you tend to get folks being shitty about it then cause they just want to hate on our own players.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/dispossessed
Probably because there is a common perception / belief that Martial is lazy. I mean Jose dropped Martial routinely cause he apparently offered nothing defensively, but as K13 has just proven its not statistically true is it?
The bit in bold isn't exactly true either when looking at his numbers. He's out performing all of our attackers (maybe not saying much), which folks can seem to wrap their heads around. If he was directly competing for Hazard at United for the LW spot then he wouldn't be playing, but his competition at the moment is Rashford or Sanchez for the LW. He's out performing both so he should be playing there.
Martial is absolutely lazy, not only does he cover one of the lowest distances in the team but he's also a poor presser and doesnt make enough runs into space. He's not like Lukaku who is so big that he wouldn't last the full 90 if he went full pelt, he is lean and agile.
Hes a pretty dumb player, so 1 dimensional.
I really rate Martial, but his development has massively stagnated over the last few years.
Maybe it’s time to part ways? A fresh start for him and a more energetic winger for us might be the best thing all round.
Maybe it’s time to part ways? A fresh start for him and a more energetic winger for us might be the best thing all round.
I'm trying to remember Martial's last great,well rounded game for us.One when he looked like he could live up to the hype thats been,in my mind,ridiculously put upon him.
Sure he's scored some great goals and has had those little sparks of imagination but I'm talking about a game when he was a constant thorn in the oppositions side.
Maybe Chelsea away in the PL this season ?
Passed that I'm looking back at Jose's debut season in 2016/2017 with Martial putting in a real gutsy,determined showing at home to Boro in the league.Arguably the most driven performance I've seen from Martial.I think that's when he was having his relationship issues off-field.
Sure he's scored some great goals and has had those little sparks of imagination but I'm talking about a game when he was a constant thorn in the oppositions side.
Maybe Chelsea away in the PL this season ?
Passed that I'm looking back at Jose's debut season in 2016/2017 with Martial putting in a real gutsy,determined showing at home to Boro in the league.Arguably the most driven performance I've seen from Martial.I think that's when he was having his relationship issues off-field.
The thing is, there is no point criticising the player for it, some players are naturally languid.
If his style doesn't fit then profile of what we are trying to do, we shouldn't have been giving him a new 5 year deal and doubling his wages.
It's unlikely he's suddenly going to become a hard pressing non-stop all action player.
It’s based on the fact that people don’t only judge players based on stats.
If Hazard loses the ball after dribbling past three opposition players, carrying the ball from one end of the pitch to the other and eventually winning a corner then the fans won’t mind one bit.
If Pogba loses the ball after taking too many touches in a dangerous area of the pitch, falls on his arse and waves his hands at the ref, then that’s going to piss people off.
Both of these scenarios register as a single dispossession.
Almost as though there’s more to judging performances than reading stats, right? It’s daft to claim that football fans are biased against their own players and in favour of players at other clubs. All the available evidence shows that the exact opposite is the case. We just get irritated by players that don’t put in a shift.
I have been saying all along that Martial does not fit into hard working winger style we've been trying to use in the last 2-3 season. I then got called a Jose lover for contemplating the idea of selling him. We have now changed manager and Ole believes pressing/hard work is a fundamental part of his gameplan and Martial falls well short in that area (and so does Lukaku).
Playing players based on talent alone never works unless they are once every 10 years type talents. You need players that bring the qualities you want. That didn't stop people saying that all Martial needed was game time to become world class.
This continually needs to be reiterated on here.
Simple fact is its all about the mentality of the individual.Martial isn't going to go around closing the space of the opposition like a Mane,Sterling or Salah. Its just not in his make-up.
And its one of the major reasons I could never,never understand why so many fans think differently if Martial was working under a Pep,Poch or Klopp.
I think Martial would work well with Arsenal's set-up though and,depending on what happens,hopefully us.
But,again,Martial isn't a mad-dog (on the field).Never will be.
Everton 4:0 Man Utd
Crap player. Martial Fc and shite. Overrating crap players for some useless fancy skills is one of the reason why we're still shite.
Sell him and bring a proper winger. He can end at a terrible league with underwhelming career as much as he wants. Don't fecking care.
Sell him and bring a proper winger. He can end at a terrible league with underwhelming career as much as he wants. Don't fecking care.
Disgraceful performance, he clearly doesn't want to be with us any longer. Get fecking rid.
Should have just stayed invisible in the second half.
Pathetic performance.
Of course he wants to stay here, he played hard enough for that renewal don't forget
Too many of our players lose their football once they sign those contractsHe is just a bad player. Monaco is his level and not United.
Cheers for the debut goal, I'll never forget it.
Good luck elsewhere tone
Good luck elsewhere tone
To the point where his transfer included a Ballon D'or payment clause if he was to ever win it. Boy, won't Monaco ever get that.
He's going to get slaughtered in this thread.
Entire team was terrible today.
Entire team was terrible today.
I wouldn't ever play him again and Id sell him this summer.
When the camera is on him it's clear he's not arsed or bothered.
When the camera is on him it's clear he's not arsed or bothered.
Played for the contract only. Crap
I'm a fan but he was poor, his work rate is so bad.
He has 200,000 reasons to stay here. Anthony Martial has wage parity with Van Dijk and could be earning twice as much as Sadio Mane.
That was as worse performance as I've ever seen from a United attacker and this guy is paid 250k for that. I bet Martial FC going starving right now, gonna be asking for donations before the seasons out, this guy is a fraud.
Embarrassing. He should give his wages to charity this month.
People wanting him to play as a striker need only look at his missing of the target from fourteen yards.
He gets paid 250k a week. Of course he wants to be here.
No defending him now, the bad guy Mourinho isn’t here anymore. I wonder if Deschamps has been watching his recent games because if so then Martial will have fallen well down the pecking order.
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