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That's a very simplistic argument. The supermarkets certainly don't help, but there's a whole host of barriers to people cooking healthily from scratch, ranging from cultural issues to time, money, how they've been brought up, education and so on.
Oh I completely accept that, and I have only recently argued with a friend how one of the biggest blocks behind healthy eating is the facts that two full-time wages can't maintain a household anymore so both parents (in two-parent households) come back home at hypothetically 6pm, shattered after having a quick lunch due to the 30min break 'allowed', then have to have the energy to cook a meal.

But the supermarkets only exacerbate that issue by pushing the 'easy' options right in the faces of every customer.
 

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The statistics on obesity rising in the UK have been out there for a long while. Oliver's solution on banning adverts marketing junk food I don't think will be that consequential since it leads the presumption people are being tricked into eating unhealthy products. That's infantalising adults as if they are children. There are loads of deeper issues why people do it and lets not sit on our high horse and act like we don't do it either. Some of the fittest guys I know eat rubbish but they are exercise freaks to go with it. Some people say alcoholism is the big issue and they point to the proliferation of advertising and beer culture. But is Britain substantially more of an alcoholic nation now than it was in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s? There's less stigma but the idea that in the old days everyone led cleaner lives and had better mental health isn't fair to say. In the old days a housewife may not have brought in an income but the physical duties they carried out without the technological advancements that we take for granted was extremely tiring hard work. I'm sure many of them drank heavily but their duties was substabtial exercise too.
 

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Look at this chancer. Nationalise all of the industries? Let's use energy as an example. Under a socialist Labour government a nationalised energy industry would mean we'd have zero power at the negotiating table, raising the wholesale prices they'd get meaning higher bills for consumers, and the taxpayer would have to foot part of the bill for equipment/facility upgrades.

It's best that we stick with privatisation as it's proven to be more stable and requires zero funding from the government.
 

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Look at this chancer. Nationalise all of the industries? Let's use energy as an example. Under a socialist Labour government a nationalised energy industry would mean we'd have zero power at the negotiating table, raising the wholesale prices they'd get meaning higher bills for consumers, and the taxpayer would have to foot part of the bill for equipment/facility upgrades.

It's best that we stick with privatisation as it's proven to be more stable and requires zero funding from the government.
Do a quick Google search to check on the French gas price rises when compared to UK prices.

Then come back and tell us that this is still a viable opinion.
 

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Do a quick Google search to check on the French gas price rises when compared to UK prices.

Then come back and tell us that this is still a viable opinion.
Our gas supplier is Antargaz, not nationalised. Price is capped, payments from energy cheques given by the government 'not repayable loans). Petrol/Diesel (not public) subsidised by government 15 cents per litre - your government is the problem.
 

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Our gas supplier is Antargaz, not nationalised. Price is capped, payments from energy cheques given by the government 'not repayable loans). Petrol/Diesel (not public) subsidised by government 15 cents per litre - your government is the problem.
I know, Mr Pigeon seems to think our government isn’t the issue though for some reason.

French government was also able to cap the EDF price rises to 4% in comparison to that same EDF that is ending us over the proverbial table.

Privatisation is the problem, as there are then no possible profit caps etc.
 

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I know, Mr Pigeon seems to think our government isn’t the issue though for some reason.

French government was also able to cap the EDF price rises to 4% in comparison to that same EDF that is ending us over the proverbial table.

Privatisation is the problem, as there are then no possible profit caps etc.
I think he was being sarcastic to be fair but privatisation is not the sole issue, the Uk government is doing very little to help the British people.
 

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I know, Mr Pigeon seems to think our government isn’t the issue though for some reason.

French government was also able to cap the EDF price rises to 4% in comparison to that same EDF that is ending us over the proverbial table.

Privatisation is the problem, as there are then no possible profit caps etc.
I'm not known for my subtlety so I can assure you that I was being completely sarcastic.

On another but related note; all Tories are cnuts.
 

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I'm not known for my subtlety so I can assure you that I was being completely sarcastic.

On another but related note; all Tories are cnuts.
Apologies then to you, I’ve had a particularly argumentative day and saw another case there.
 

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The statistics on obesity rising in the UK have been out there for a long while. Oliver's solution on banning adverts marketing junk food I don't think will be that consequential since it leads the presumption people are being tricked into eating unhealthy products. That's infantalising adults as if they are children. There are loads of deeper issues why people do it and lets not sit on our high horse and act like we don't do it either. Some of the fittest guys I know eat rubbish but they are exercise freaks to go with it. Some people say alcoholism is the big issue and they point to the proliferation of advertising and beer culture. But is Britain substantially more of an alcoholic nation now than it was in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s? There's less stigma but the idea that in the old days everyone led cleaner lives and had better mental health isn't fair to say. In the old days a housewife may not have brought in an income but the physical duties they carried out without the technological advancements that we take for granted was extremely tiring hard work. I'm sure many of them drank heavily but their duties was substabtial exercise too.
But the scientific evidence is pretty much conclusive: sugar taxes, tobacco taxes, etc, do work; they improve health outcomes at population level. It is a pity this is being turned into a classist war issue, or whatever.
 

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But the scientific evidence is pretty much conclusive: sugar taxes, tobacco taxes, etc, do work; they improve health outcomes at population level. It is a pity this is being turned into a classist war issue, or whatever.
Tax relief on whole foods would be better.
 

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Tax relief on whole foods would be better.
Do both. Sugar is very addictive, so no guarantee people will stop the sugary drinks if it is not taxed. But it seems taxing it forces producers to reduce sugar content, which reduces consumption indirectly.
 

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Do both. Sugar is very addictive, so no guarantee people will stop the sugary drinks if it is not taxed. But it seems taxing it forces producers to reduce sugar content, which reduces consumption indirectly.
And increases consumption of artificial sweeteners which are now in almost every canned drink and can actually increase obesity. Not to mention these artifical sweetener chemicals come with other health risks.

Would be better off with sugar imo.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/
 

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I actually love the sugar free drinks. There is absolutely no way that I could handle the taste of normal coke now
Coke's pretty much all I buy now, as everything else changed recipe. Costs a fortune. I've just always found the taste of artificial sweeteners off.
 

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Parliament could burn down "any day", former minister Andrea Leadsom has warned as she urged MPs to "get on" with the renovation of the building.

Speaking to the BBC, she said the Houses of Parliament could see a fire similar to the one that damaged the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris.

Parliament needs urgent repair work that could cost between £7bn and £13bn.

The estimated cost of repairing Notre-Dame after its devastating fire has been set at between £300m and £600m
Erm, what? Where's the Essien calculator?
 

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And increases consumption of artificial sweeteners which are now in almost every canned drink and can actually increase obesity. Not to mention these artifical sweetener chemicals come with other health risks.

Would be better off with sugar imo.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/
Exactly.

The only one that hasn't changed its recipe is Coke and its the only one I buy for my kids (on the rare occasion they are allowed it) Irn Bru was always the go to fizzy drink in our house but since they changed the recipe (they could have just increased the price to work around the sugar tax but stupidly decided to change a 110+ year old recipe) its not welcome in our house!
 

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When I grew up in Hull in the '80s no-one knew what a fecking chickpea was, let alone how to cook them.
What's the difference between a chickpea and a lentil?

I have never paid an extra £50 to have a lentil on my face
 

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Look at this chancer. Nationalise all of the industries? Let's use energy as an example. Under a socialist Labour government a nationalised energy industry would mean we'd have zero power at the negotiating table, raising the wholesale prices they'd get meaning higher bills for consumers, and the taxpayer would have to foot part of the bill for equipment/facility upgrades.

It's best that we stick with privatisation as it's proven to be more stable and requires zero funding from the government.
Bulb energy.
 

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Even Trump didn't have this kind of power. We need fecking checks and balances
We really do need them, but don't worry, the tories are on the case. They will smother the press with demands that the PM can no longer do as he pleases.

They've pencilled in a date of summer 2024, though I understand they will reluctantly delay this by up to 5 years should it be required.
 

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I so wish that was the tweet itself instead of a screenshot, I’d love to get more context.

Guess I got to go hunt for it.

e - fecker’s got his tweets protected.
I'm going in with my undercover right wing account.