Isn't that the thing? We wait until managers hit absolute rock bottom before sacking them. By that stage, their reputations do be in the gutter. Other clubs are far more reactive and sack managers before they get to such a low ebb.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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How is it realistic? You really do just take whatever ETH says without any critical thought. What is our level?Loser mentality
It’s called being realistic. Many of these players aren’t good enough.
We are on the fly episode now.
That I agree, but I don't think that Ten Hag has stayed true to his principles himself, for example the use of McTominay. One of the first things he did last season was decide McTominay wasn't good enough to start, yet ends up back in the team as a key player. I think Ten Hag could well be a very good coach but lacks the respect or communication to get through to the United players, which is a big part of the job at a club like this.
We say that with every manager though, and it doesn't happen. Some posters just genuinely hate/love a manager from day one for whatever reason and then end up agenda posting til the day they're sacked. It's getting so tedious now.
No they won't
Jose and Ole caused these exact same bickering camps. It'll momentarily improve until the knives come out for the next man. Unless, we somehow finally get a manager that works and drastically improve our structures.
I called him criminally negligent and it laughed out of this thread but these aren't flaws, you know what you are getting with McTominay but he stobbornly keeps him in the rotation because he isn't being held accountable. I don't think there is even anyone in the building looking at this and taking him to task.
Can't even organize a proper defence and offensive plays away at Forrest, I am sure Klopp is kicking himself wondering how he failed to score against this shower of shit. You see an 18 year old kid struggling in a one man midfield and you take him out for wanderer with no positional sense, what do you expect to happen?
He has to go, the fact that he isn't already shows how we don't have serious people in charge. The funny thing is that they won't even have a contingency plan despite it being apparent from about September that he is a dead man walking.
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Come off it. I remember it was early days under Ange and I thought they looked very nervous playing out from the back the way they did. Which is understandable as only a few games earlier they were finishing up a season in which they were utter dross and had lost by far their best player. They seemed to settle at half time and just played us off the park. Absolutely nobody was saying how great we looked or any of the hyperbole you're coming up with.
The best game under ETH, for me, was against Liverpool at home last season. We've had that set of players available many times since that game and never got close to that performance again. They're just one offs.
Bear in mind De Boer won more Eredivises than ETH. Four in a row, the first ever to do so. Also, it's not like before ETH Ajax was on a trophy drought as large as ours. PSV and Feyenoord won the league in like a three year period.
A 3 of Fernandes, Eriksen and McTominay isn't of the level needed for a PL midfield imo
As a unit that trio doesn't work. No balance
As a unit that trio doesn't work. No balance
Lower at the moment than what you seem to think. This is an incredibly poor United team.
So, what you are saying is that the path forward is to get an excellent DoF who will get us fantastic players that can win even with a useless manager.
Perhaps you are right. Still, the first thing a good DoF will do is to sack ETH.
Unfortunately, we are not playing in the Dutch league, so we can't expect that we'll have such great players that can win the league with a bad manager like ETH.
My cousin was on the coach on the way back with the United We Stand lads for the last game we lost against West Ham, and the discussion amongst the home bound away fans was that he had to go and they were singing 'feck off Ten Hag' at one point.
That’s an incredible quote. Guy is an idiot.
He is looking for the sack. A good severance for him.
This rift was created by Rangnick, who weaponized the fans against the players. I don't even know if this will be fixed after ETH is gone, depends on how Ratcliffe changes the culture of the club.
Report stuff and we’ll mod it. Can’t see everything.
This delusion is up there with the constant fawning over THAT 45 minutes that Rangnick could be arsed producing. In no way were we playing like the best Klopp sides, you are out of your god damn mind or lying to defend him. I can't decide which.
Is he really sincere with these answers ? We're fecked either way
I don’t know if nor remember that being said with every other manager, I do know - or at least believe - that United fans get too attached to managers and are reluctant to see them sacked/moved on. It’s understandable why with Ferguson being here for like three decades, but we’ll be better of once people realise them times are gone and that’s not how top clubs conduct themselves. The notion of “the one” manager needs to be done with.
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^the above is a good post that highlights how modern football is.
read above. besides, even if temporary an improvement in the context of this forum will occur. People just need to stop blindly rallying behind a manager as if they’re infallible and blindly hoping they will lead us to the promise land.No they won't
Jose and Ole caused these exact same bickering camps. It'll momentarily improve until the knives come out for the next man. Unless, we somehow finally get a manager that works and drastically improve our structures.
I don't agree with you at all, but time will tell. I'm happy to make a wager out of it if you'd like to be more specific about what you define as mid-table. Never managing a team who make it into a European cup competition again?
Yep exactly this. Even then, if we are successful with a new guy, there will still be those nutters finding fault and talking shite and wanting whoever it is sacked. We even had them when fergie was in charge.No they won't
Jose and Ole caused these exact same bickering camps. It'll momentarily improve until the knives come out for the next man. Unless, we somehow finally get a manager that works and drastically improve our structures.
United need a couple of seasons in midtable to be honest. This boom bust cycle of top 4 just encourages the panic buys and short sightedness as, given they only care about CL money, it’s worked a treat for the Glazers.
Well I've been saying this since Jose. Still, it never changes. Fans on here build bizarre attachments to managers who have had no real success.
Sooooooo... as I was saying, we'll be back here again with the next man.
The one thing he's done well beyond reproach here is his man management, he clearly has the respect of most of the players and has won the ego battle with some of the really bad apples like Ronaldo, who got the previous 2 managers fired. He's also clearly stuck with his principles, McTominay isn't good enough and wouldn't be playing if we had a full squad, he's playing out of necessity more than anything.
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Ten Hag - Antony was a poor signing (although that's just as much on the club), and his system does have a certain naivety to it and breaks down when an individual or two aren't pulling their weight, but he's absolutely stuck to his principles rather than going back to the mid-block of last season, and the players are clearly playing for him.
Shockingly bad tactical error removing Mainoo
Seems we’re on the same page. I didn’t state it would be a permanent fix - but I do expect the rift on this forum to improve/subside once he’s gone. I mean, people are rewriting history and suggesting Ten Hag was of “excellent pedigree” before joining United. What some of our fans believe he is or built him up to be has never really matched his reality of an up and coming manager. With those you get some right and some wrong, Ten Hag has proven to be wrong for us. Harsh reality.
My hope is that the next guy won’t have a record breaking number of losses by January next season, and hopefully that will also subside some of the criticism their way
Only contribution all game. Stank the place up both sides of it.
Ten Hag cannot keep hiding behind the "we have too many injuries" excuse for playing McTominay. Sure, let's say it was unavoidable to take out Mainoo. You don't substitute McTominay in, simple as that. It's the equivalent of him saying he'd rather eat shit because there's nothing else good to eat. You clearly know where the problem is, yet you keep letting it persist. You reap what you sow
No. He was effing shite either side of a goal Garnacho gifted to him.
The constant sniping among utd supporters is not helpful. We have become a laughing stock. Other fanbases are picking up on it and it is embarrassing: we are the Arsenal clowns of the late Wenger era. Even when they were at their lowest ebb Liverpool stuck together and got rid of their cowboy owners before bringing in an elite manager. Look at that transformation. We have to remain utd. Okay there are valid criticisms of ETH but splitting into two poisonous camps won't take the club forward. This season is a write off but with new funds and Sir Jim taking charge of footballing matters there should be progress in the medium term. Just to point out also that City Ground is not an easy place for any team to play. I feared for us today as I knew they would not roll over and be tickled like Villa did.
I think you make a number of valid points. Last season all of his big calls seemed to be vindicated. This season everything he touches is turning to shit. Yes, there are mitigating circumstances, but he isn’t helping himself. His confidence has taken a big hit. I feel for the guy; I wouldn’t want to be in his situation, but there is no escaping scrutiny as United manager, and right now he is also failing in his role, along with many others.
Harsh on Fergie tbf.
At worst you could claim a neutral reputation, but he was generally seen as the next big thing in Europe. I get thinking that perhaps the United job was too soon for him but he did a good job with Ajax, I don't really see how that's arguable.
Nothing in this post is at all relevant, nor are they even sensible criticisms. ETH was only manager for 3, so how could he have won 4? The trophy drought in comparison is also meaningless. The point is that he had a good reputation due to taking an Ajax team that hadn't won the league for a while, and had them winning the league at every opportunity. Things probably aren't going to work out here for him, but that doesn't change the past.
I don't know how people defend the tactical choices and the way he gets us to play more often than not. I can't say I believe we're suddenly going to play amazing football when everyone is back fit, we don't see nearly enough quality from this group under him for that idea to truly make sense. We don't look nearly there, we look miles off.
Of course we're on the same page? Not sure how you took anything different from my original post.
This is the Caf, this is what will happen. From day one there will be posters against the next man because of their loyalty to ETH. Same thing happened when ETH took over and a cohort of Ole fans were negative about him from the get-go. These weird little camps sprung up under Jose and unfortunately have been a Caf thing ever since.
I hear what your saying and that's fair enough, it's more the unnecessary jabs taken at each other that I can't stand anymore, as I said it's ruining the forum. And having a different manager in place isn't going to change that, it's been the same for several of them post fergie
They looked nervous playing out from the back because we were putting them under a huge amount of pressure and repeatedly won the ball back from them. We had the best chances of the game by miles, without including the blatant penalty that VAR refused to give, and looked utterly dominant.
The second half was more even, no doubt, although "played us of the park" is nonsense hyperbole.
Liverpool at home last season was great to watch, but was built on the mid-block platform we've been playing for too long now. It's pretty good against top sides who give us space to run in behind, and we can let them have the ball, but it's not a successful long term approach and we need to move away from it.
This forum is just overrun with children. ETH may be failing here, but there's no way he's "useless" given what he did at Ajax and his first season with us. Your final sentence is obviously flawed, as before ETH Ajax had several managers who were unable to win the league.
The thing is, I expect a DoF will fire ETH, as they'll want to put their own mark on the team. However, I fully expect that his time here (and that of several of our managers after Fergie) would have been much more successful with a better structure above and around him.
This explains why we keep on conceding the same type of cut-back goal - and also why EtH doesn’t seem to to appreciate the importance of a real DM. He simply doesn’t understand how to coach his team to defend. You need midfielders to track opponents and defend runs on the edge of the box.