ETH will most certainly be sacked at the end of the season. I don't see how we all of a sudden start playing productive football - we haven't done that since the cup win, so nothing will have changed to start now. He's 100% sacked. As for replacement - I'm not sure, but I don't want Potter or any current PL manager. I think the way the restructuring is going, it's exciting and they will have a good idea of who they want to bring in.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Well put. The way many find excuses for manager and manager only and not for others is astonishing.
The players never get any slack for playing under constantly changing/not good enough managers/possibly having personal problems etc etc - 1-2 bad seasons and they are “not good enough” if not “championship level”. And no excuses since they “earn a lot”
The executives never get any slack for having to work under bad owners/in a difficult market etc etc, 1-2 unsuccessful transfer windows. They fail and must be out, no excuses.
But the manager could not possibly be not good enough and cannot be judged until after everyone above and below him is world class and not injured. His meager salary and transfer budget is just compensation for working under such a horrible set up.
I mean I could kinda understand it if he had a CV of young Jose/Fergie/Klopp etc. But he does not. He has a good CV and deserved a chance to manage at higher level than Ajax, but PL seems to be a step too far for him at the moment (although he is not a young manager any more). He is not the first and not the last, no shame in it.
People bring up Arteta etc but 95-99% of the time when a manger is underperforming to the same degree as EtH sacking him turns out to be a correct decision.
Agreed. Everyone above and below the manager is apparently responsible for this bad season but he gets the credit for last season's 3rd place. People want everyone else out, no excuses, including the players that carried us that season. But when it comes to the manager every excuse under the sun is used.
The appointment wasn't bad. It was the only one that made sense aside from Mourinho. But it shouldn't be this hard for fans to admit it's not working out and we should look elsewhere.
Maybe some of it is still due to long time we had when we knew that our manager is one of the greats so if anything went wrong tended to absolve him.
But in general it seems to be a very pronounced case of endowment bias - irrationally overvaluing whatever you already have despite its actual quality (bizarrely it extends only to manager).
I mean people often laugh off the suggestions that De Zerbi/Ange/Potter/Poch would do better - fair enough, could be. But suppose the results were the same and we had Potter/Poch as our manager and EtH was struggling at Chelsea. I am 100% certain that the same people would be finding hunders of excuses for Potter/Poch and saying "EtH would not do any better, he is unproven at this level look at how he is struggling etc etc". All the excuses of bad ownership/injuries/players would suddenly become invalid for EtH and his CV a lot more suspect - just because he is not at United (just like potential alternatives to EtH are judged very strictly now).
I agree with everything except this part. Eric does not have a good CV, it's OK. As I always say, De Boer had a better league record, but less cups, but is considered to have a lesser CV despite winning one less trophy than our supposed elite manager.
I think Ten Hag at United was the biggest disappointment I've seen in regards to big clubs appointing managers. I had really high expectations based on that famous Ajax team. His CV was very appealing, IMO, and the exact profile I thought could bring you back on track. I've learned by now that he didn't play possession football before his Ajax days so maybe that was foreseeable but back then I thought he was a coach who had his team play sophisticated and well organized possession football. I hope you stick to such profiles when you replace him eventually. Somebody like de Zerbi if supported fully could make a huge difference.
I‘m ok with different styles as long as it works. Right now it does not look like it will.
The group we have now certainly is not perfectly suited to possession style football. I still think we are better off playing a different style.
Why do we have an obsession with possesion football? We used to dominate possession under Fergie because we were unrelenting in attack, as well as having players who were technical AND hard has nails. Why can't we play attacking football like that instead of the LVG/Ajax/ETH type posters on here obviously refer to? Fergie's football was nothing like Oleball that people now refer to it as. There is no reason we can't just play attacking football with a good defensive base like Busby, fergie, the doc etc used to do.
Peps success has changed football. Everyone and their dog believes you need to play tiki taka or something close to it to have success these days. We are desperate to become Ajax 2.0 it seems. Would rather we cherished our own identity. Absolutely loved every minute we played quick, direct attacking football under Fergie. A quick 50m throw from Schmeichel directly to the feet of Giggs running towards goal and stuff like that. No fancy stuff, not 50 passes before you try to enter the penalty box, just excitement and action.
And we still dominated most teams in possession stats!
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So someone like Klopp would have been more suited to us then..
I’ve been very critical of him. In fact I think he’s lucky to still be in a job but we’re starting to see the shit he’s having to deal with. You’ve got Sancho turning up late for training and Rashford not bothering to show up at all both players are costing the club close to 600k a week and the standards are completely on the floor.
Imagine being a player coming into the club and this is the attitude you see from senior members of the squad. It’s a complete shambles in all honesty.
Imagine being a player coming into the club and this is the attitude you see from senior members of the squad. It’s a complete shambles in all honesty.
The squad has far to many players who are over-paid, underperforming and worst still they think they are untouchable!
I'm hoping once the new regime gets comfy they will take a lot of these decision out of the managers hands and discipline players themselves.
EtH is going to have to answers daft questions about Rashford now for the next 2 weeks...the endless gossip the club creates for the press is bloody annoying at times.
I'm hoping once the new regime gets comfy they will take a lot of these decision out of the managers hands and discipline players themselves.
EtH is going to have to answers daft questions about Rashford now for the next 2 weeks...the endless gossip the club creates for the press is bloody annoying at times.
This is it.
Whatever people think of ETH, there is a pattern of under performing quality players at United. Managers try to bring standards up, too many players, particularly important ones, aren’t interested and managers get the boot.
It doesn’t matter what a manager is trying to cosch, if you have players who simply aren’t fully focused and driven , it will fail. United don’t have high standards for under performing players , we keep them , so new managers are forced to make it work.
I mean, Rashford was the hero last season and pretty much carried us into 3rd and a cup.
Imagine being the best player at the club and watching your manager blow money on the likes of Mount and Onana after a promising season, implementing clueless tactics and the title race ending by October.
That’s a load of bollox to be fair
Why?
Harry Kane has managed to retain a world class level of performances , regardless of what’s gone on a spurs. There’s plenty of examples of top players who still perform when things aren’t perfect at their clubs, they don’t all respond by lowering their application, losing form for a season and going clubbing.
Some players can’t keep their levels high for numerous reasons, Rashford looks like one of them.
I'm obviously not absolving him of blame, I just don't think the buck stops there. Put the likes of kane or messi in this team, or any type of 'winner', and they'll probably want to feck off at the first opportunity.
He talks a good game. Be better if we could see some progress on the pitch.
But the season before he scored 4 goals. 2 of the last 3 seasons Rashford’s had a stinker he can’t complain about other players
Well he needs to take the 'Im the manager head of the team' stance and drop Rashford completely, not bench him, for 3 games, to show the others he is not for trifling with.
Saying that he is a dead man walking as the team simply isnt improving enough. Someone else mentioned he is not a young manager and although 54 (2nd Feb google) isnt old old, maybe he is too far along the path not to want to correct his faults and be 'dyed in the wool', unlike a much younger manager might do and have time to do.
I did really want him to work and after last season was expecting a kick on this season. Sadly we have gone backwards, so I think Ineos will go 'new brush sweep clean' and go with a complete change of setup ready for next season.
Newcastle finished consistently around 11th and 12th under Bruce.
Oh I agree 100%. I wouldn’t be dropping Rashford I’d be transfer listing him and removing him from the side. I’m not excusing ETH I’ve been ETH out for months but the picture of his squad is a joke from the Rashford/Sancho stuff to the Antony and Greenwood issues it’s a squad full of fecking morons it seems.
Imagine being a player who had a great six months and won the Carabao Cup looking down on the club signing a Champions League winner and a goalkeeper who has just reached the Champions League final with his team.
That's part of the issue with some of our core players
Not absolving him of blame, especially some of his awful transfers and that whole "United DNA" stuff and playing style, but i can't think of another manager who's had to deal with more crap in the post SAF era with Ronaldo, Greenwood, Sancho, Rashford, Antony etc. Also issues with Varane, Martial, and the whole takeover business.
I’d say Kane or Messi will move or keep up their performance levels, not sign a 4/5 year contract extension.
Id love if the players went against his 4141 and played 4231. It's soul destroying if he continues with it. Also starting Antony when he's done zero to deserve a start sends out a great message.....
Imagine having to try and manage a team that don’t want to play or even train, imagine having an awful work ethic and ethos in the club and being told to get results with that group of players. It’s not possible I hope that all he people wanting ETH sacked gets what they want and sometime soon he’s sacked. He’ll go somewhere else with a great set up and absolutely thrive. Get this dosser on 350k a week out the club, it’ll open up countless possibilities
Can anyone remember a manager of any club who had so many off field issues with players in such a short time such as ETH is facing since his appointment ?
My bad then, I agree with that, I thought you meant United sorry
A lot of this is fair but will moving club give him more charisma or convince him that having a midfield is a good idea? There doesn't have to just be one problem, we can have a squad full of overrated players who don't apply themselves and a manager who is doing a shit job this season. The season is basically a write-off so he has 4 months to show that he deserves another season while a lot of the players have already made it clear they don't.
I wish Fernandes would shut up giving Garnacho grief the whole time. I never see him do it to Rashford.
Fifth!!!!! match in a row that we have conceded two goals 
Newport singing ‘you’re getting sacked in the morning’… yikes
His half time team talks must be so inspirational, we concede nearly every game just after the restart.
Either after HT or immediately after scoring ourselves. It's weird
We just need Martinez & Shaw back they told us.
How’s that working out so far?
Anyone still supporting this manager is a clown.
How’s that working out so far?
Anyone still supporting this manager is a clown.