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I love that she claims "all the people who knew how the economy worked didn't tell me so we should sack them all and the ignorant should be put in charge!" I'm sure that would go really well Liz.

Also this gem:

Ms Truss told the BBC's Political Editor Chris Mason that plans to phase out smoking over time were "unconservative".

She said "we should absolutely protect children from damage and danger while they are developing decision-making capabilities", but added: "We're a free country.

"We shouldn't be telling people not to smoke and I worry about where it will lead."
She's right, it's a slippery slope towards a war on drugs isn't it?
 

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The excerpt is quite interesting. Certainly underlines how blinkered Truss was by ideology and how paranoid she was about her colleagues.
The dig at Gove having 'anti-growth instincts' made me laugh.

'We didn't know Britain was sitting on a financial tinderbox': Who's to blame for the bond market meltdown that torpedoed her premiership? Everyone, says LIZ TRUSS, in her blistering new memoir

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hip-says-LIZ-TRUSS-blistering-new-memoir.html
That quote...:

Part of the problem we faced was a distinct shortage of expert voices supporting our agenda.
...really underlines the problem. She didn't see this as overwhelming evidence that all the intelligence suggested that her ideas were terrible, but as an anti-Conservative conspiracy.
 

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That quote...:



...really underlines the problem. She didn't see this as overwhelming evidence that all the intelligence suggested that her ideas were terrible, but as an anti-Conservative conspiracy.
That’s a remarkable line. Astonishing really.
 

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In any other vocation this woman would be disgraced into irrelevance for her catastrophic failure. Yet she's still given a platform by the media to spout her ideological nonsense. Really wish she'd just permanently feck off to the US (and take Frottage with her) and stay with the grifter circus there
 

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I see the fecking thicko is back doing the rounds. Deluded twat.
 

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I see the fecking thicko is back doing the rounds. Deluded twat.
Two headline articles on the BBC website. Two. One for her support of Trump and another from the political editor discussing six key points from her new book. As if her opinion on anything should carry any fecking weight whatsoever. She is the worst PM this country has had in modern times, and that is an impressive feat considering the competition.
 

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Two headline articles on the BBC website. Two. One for her support of Trump and another from the political editor discussing six key points from her new book. As if her opinion on anything should carry any fecking weight whatsoever. She is the worst PM this country has had in modern times, and that is an impressive feat considering the competition.
You could literally shit yourself on live TV, cry running off the stage screaming "I've no idea what I'm doing" and then 6 months later be invited on every single news show to discuss the current political climate.

Didn't even mean the first part as a metaphor for Truss but it is accurate.
 

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That quote...:

Part of the problem we faced was a distinct shortage of expert voices supporting our agenda.

...really underlines the problem. She didn't see this as overwhelming evidence that all the intelligence suggested that her ideas were terrible, but as an anti-Conservative conspiracy.
She has the same vibe about the environment and equality. Basically that they're full of actual experts rather than people who agree with the government

" "If you're an environmentalist, you go and work at the Environment Department and if you're an equality campaigner, you go and work at the Government Equalities Office," "

Her opinion about courts is that they shouldn't be there as they don't agree with her either

"She would scrap the Supreme Court. And she would dismantle the Judicial Appointments Commission.
In short, she thinks power of judicial appointments should lie with elected politicians."


She'd be dangerous if she was intelligent enough to stay in power.
 

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You could literally shit yourself on live TV, cry running off the stage screaming "I've no idea what I'm doing" and then 6 months later be invited on every single news show to discuss the current political climate.

Didn't even mean the first part as a metaphor for Truss but it is accurate.
Yup, and I really hate how accurate this is.
 

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No idea. Probably not. Dale is a really weird dude. Nasty piece of work. One of those old school ‘I’m above this’ Tories.
That would be extremely poor of the producers at LBC not to explain that if it's true.

If he has a financial interest in the sale of her book it's poor journalistic ethics not to inform the audience
 

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That would be extremely poor of the producers at LBC not to explain that if it's true.

If he has a financial interest in the sale of her book it's poor journalistic ethics not to inform the audience
I checked. They didn’t. The whole section was a disgrace. Listen to these softball questions and watch a human being try to decipher the Morse code of a symbol playing monkey in their brain.

She led our country. Insane.


 

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I checked. They didn’t. The whole section was a disgrace. Listen to these softball questions and watch a human being try to decipher the Morse code of a symbol playing monkey in their brain.

She led our country. Insane.


Genuinely think she might have a degenerative brain disorder. She’s not right at all.
 

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Genuinely think she might have a degenerative brain disorder. She’s not right at all.
To be sat across from the publisher of your book, that’s interviewing you to promote it, and thus, y’know? Drive sales of it.

Then fall apart under interrogations such as;

“Night in or night out?”
‘Night out’
“What do you like doing on a night out”

To buckle under the weight of that question.

The woman was trusted to have strategic meetings with heads of state. But couldn’t even come up with a boring generic line like ‘I’m a big foodie - as much as I hate the term - and am going through an Italian phase at the moment. There’s a great restaurant around the corner from my constituency office, can I mention it?’

Just baseline boring straight bat responses that involve no mental horsepower at all.

Or say some shit about film. Mention Dune. The world has just gone nuts over it.

Or say you like walking, talk about your favourite green space.

Honestly, how is this woman trusted to dress herself? The lettuce has more personality as well as staying power.
 

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She'll do what she did during the Tory leadership election, go to all of these friendly interviews and they'll make her feel invincible. As soon as she's questioned by anyone with a brain, she'll fall apart which is why she doesn't subject herself to it. She's fecking deluded but helped by people along the way. In terms of election campaigning before locals, this is a gift for Labour to see her back on the scene.
 

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That’s a remarkable line. Astonishing really.
Not really, it's a perfect example of the only truth is your own truth, everything else is either fake news, or is anti whatever you are saying.
The World is becoming an ever more dangerous place when a politician whose daft ideas made millions poorer almost over night, but where they can still draw a media crowd when they open their mouth.:nono:
 

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What do Tory voters see in her, exactly?

It was clear at the time that she was vacuous and empty headed, despite her post pork market adoption of new accent and culture war positions. Rishi for all his faults looked the far better statesman when they were campaigning against each other and yet.. they voted for her. It's bewildering.
 

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What do Tory voters see in her, exactly?

It was clear at the time that she was vacuous and empty headed, despite her post pork market adoption of new accent and culture war positions. Rishi for all his faults looked the far better statesman when they were campaigning against each other and yet.. they voted for her. It's bewildering.
Honestly don’t think Tory voters see anything in her. She’s a Tufton street pawn though and that’s A. Why she says half the stuff she says and B. Why the media are entertaining her.
 

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What do Tory voters see in her, exactly?

It was clear at the time that she was vacuous and empty headed, despite her post pork market adoption of new accent and culture war positions. Rishi for all his faults looked the far better statesman when they were campaigning against each other and yet.. they voted for her. It's bewildering.
Is it though?
Whenever the Tory's have been in power for long spells and there have been a few over the latter part of the 20th Century, their party's leadership start to disintegrate.

Many will head for the hills, some are bewildered and keep repeating promises which clearly will not get delivered and/or they can't understand why the 'party of natural government' (as they like to see themselves) is not able to pass muster with the public.

Against this background the more extreme politicians in the Party open up a fault line, (that is always there in the Tory philosophy) Liz Truss is the one who has struck the fault line head on and sees herself as the person who picks up the battle standard and goes again!
The Tory faithful tend to lap this up, which is why she got to be PM and now why the Party as a whole will have to wear sack-clothe and ashes, (hopefully for Labour) for many years to come or at least for around 3 terms.
 

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Not really, it's a perfect example of the only truth is your own truth, everything else is either fake news, or is anti whatever you are saying.
The World is becoming an ever more dangerous place when a politician whose daft ideas made millions poorer almost over night, but where they can still draw a media crowd when they open their mouth.:nono:
I mean, we're living in hypernormal times in the UK. For reference, here's the definition of that term:

The word hypernormalisation was coined by Alexei Yurchak, a professor of anthropology who was born in Leningrad and later went to teach at the University of California, Berkeley. He introduced the word in his book Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation (2006), which describes paradoxes of Soviet life during the 1970s and 1980s.[3][4] He says that everyone in the Soviet Union knew the system was failing, but no one could imagine an alternative to the status quo, and politicians and citizens alike were resigned to maintaining the pretense of a functioning society.[5] Over time, this delusion became a self-fulfilling prophecy and the fakeness was accepted by everyone as real, an effect that Yurchak termed hypernormalisation.[6]
I don't see how that's any different to what we're seeing with our political class, their electioneering, and the rhetoric, dogwhistling and gaslighting we're hearing on an almost daily basis now. The last couple of years alone have been the worst of the worst. Boris Johnson breaking every rule of lockdown, proroguing parliament, Truss and Kwarteng tanking the economy, and now we have the sick man of Europe UK, Rishi Sunak, an incredibly weak and festering PM as the 'best' leader we can muster? And that's without even discussing the opposition. We're too far down the rabbit hole.

(CCing @Sweet Square - the best curator on the net).
 

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To be sat across from the publisher of your book, that’s interviewing you to promote it, and thus, y’know? Drive sales of it.

Then fall apart under interrogations such as;

“Night in or night out?”
‘Night out’
“What do you like doing on a night out”

To buckle under the weight of that question.

The woman was trusted to have strategic meetings with heads of state. But couldn’t even come up with a boring generic line like ‘I’m a big foodie - as much as I hate the term - and am going through an Italian phase at the moment. There’s a great restaurant around the corner from my constituency office, can I mention it?’

Just baseline boring straight bat responses that involve no mental horsepower at all.

Or say some shit about film. Mention Dune. The world has just gone nuts over it.

Or say you like walking, talk about your favourite green space.

Honestly, how is this woman trusted to dress herself? The lettuce has more personality as well as staying power.
Those lies can bite you like Brown trying to be down with the kids saying Arctic Monkeys.
 

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Those lies can bite you like Brown trying to be down with the kids saying Arctic Monkeys.
Yeah I get that… but I’m not even say lie. It’s a high probability that she has zero passions or interests and is just an empty vessel that receives good and bad stimuli neutrally. It’d explain a lot.

But just… anything. Her own publisher asking her ‘what do you like’ isn’t a political curve ball.

Just say ‘Out with a good friend, sharing a bottle of wine with a good friend’. Yeah the follow up might be ‘What wine’ but I think a former leader of the country should be able to manage it.

She’s such a weird little gremlin.
 

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Yeah when I watched it I was expecting her to say going out for a nice meal, she's a middle aged woman and that's a perfectly acceptable response. She couldn't even form that sentence with any credibility. It was incredibly strange.
 

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I checked. They didn’t. The whole section was a disgrace. Listen to these softball questions and watch a human being try to decipher the Morse code of a symbol playing monkey in their brain.

She led our country. Insane.


Fecking hell
 

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Yeah I get that… but I’m not even say lie. It’s a high probability that she has zero passions or interests and is just an empty vessel that receives good and bad stimuli neutrally. It’d explain a lot.

But just… anything. Her own publisher asking her ‘what do you like’ isn’t a political curve ball.

Just say ‘Out with a good friend, sharing a bottle of wine with a good friend’. Yeah the follow up might be ‘What wine’ but I think a former leader of the country should be able to manage it.

She’s such a weird little gremlin.
I was imagining her scrolling through potential responses in her head, like the Terminator did, and all manner of filth coming up. But yeah it's probably just a black void with a dull flicker of sentience in a corner coming up with pub, restaurant, 'that sort of thing'.
 

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We're too far down the rabbit hole.
It can look that way, especially when you realise it isn't just in the UK where this hypernormalisation is at work.
We are seemingly entering a state of permanent flux in world affairs, especially in both Gaza and the Ukraine where in both wars no one can visualise an outcome that can hold... i.e. what happens the day after?

Closer to home, the exhaustion that many ordinary people feel in just trying everyday to keep their heads above water, is exacerbated by the growing perception that there is no quick fix, indeed there may not be any real difference for decades.
IMO Starmer is right to shy away from promising any quick fix, but with a government with a large majority at the next GE he has to offer hope and to have tangible programmes, (even if over 15 years) that support that hope and redouble it every five years.
 

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What's the worst thing you've ever done?

Smirks thinking about it.
She could have said, become Prime Minister.

At least that would be both honest and funny.

I hope she sticks around in the news reminding everyone that the conservative thought she would make a good PM. You can just about hear the sound of a slow puncture in the Tory election plan every second she is on screen.