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Yep you can't go wrong when you pay £80m for a centre back.Mate they literally paid £80 million for him because he was one of the best CB's around.
Yep you can't go wrong when you pay £80m for a centre back.Mate they literally paid £80 million for him because he was one of the best CB's around.
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I mean it's totally hypothetical and of course, you would say that because it fits with your agenda.Without Edwards, I'm pretty confident Klopp would still have been a success. Our owners didn't cause our managers to constantly implode.
You can if there isn't a unified vision within the club.Yep you can't go wrong when you pay £80m for a centre back.
And let's be honest, most laughed at Liverpool paying that for a bloke in his mid 20's after 2 seasons at Southampton, coming from Celtic. Yes, he looked good but Klopp clearly elevated his levels to probably the best in the world at one point. This us rough because I hate the pair of themYep you can't go wrong when you pay £80m for a centre back.
Bottom of the CL group (a weak group too), out of one cup to Newcastle B team, 6th in the league and miles off top 4. What circumstances make this a decent job?The season is a write-off in terms of league position but we’ve got the cup final to come and we can get a result there if we play our best and get a bit of luck.
Either way, I think Erik is doing a decent job in the circumstances and will do much better next year. If we keep him, he’ll justify it.
What's my agenda?I mean it's totally hypothetical and of course, you would say that because it fits with your agenda.
Decent jobThe season is a write-off in terms of league position but we’ve got the cup final to come and we can get a result there if we play our best and get a bit of luck.
Either way, I think Erik is doing a decent job in the circumstances and will do much better next year. If we keep him, he’ll justify it.
You're arguing in favour of Klopp so of course you're going to try and bend the narrative in the direction of him being some kind of miracle worker, plucking unknown £80 Million CB's and turning them into good players.What's my agenda?
Good gaslighting.You're arguing in favour of Klopp so of course you're going to try and bend the narrative in the direction of him being some kind of miracle worker, plucking unknown £80 Million CB's and turning them into good players.
Next you'll be gushing about "Klopp's Kids" like Neville and co.
He might be but it was always going to get worse.. and worse… and worse…. Until someone comes in and actually changes things. By change I mean ACTUALLY change things. It’s like a decaying tooth, the longer you leave it the worst it gets and the harder it becomes to fix. That’s united. Just getting further and further away from competing. Falling apart more by the year. Years of non existent investment and lack of structure and was always going to cost us eventually.What do you like about him? His eyes? His voice? Because statistically he's one of our worst managers
No response, no worries palGood gaslighting.
But giving him a new contract at this stage is doubling down on a potential mistake.Oh trust me I want him gone like yesterday but with each passing day his authority on the team continue to diminish. It is pointless to keep him next season without a new contract as he will also be unsettled.
Xavi has agreed to stay at Barcelona next season, so he's off the table.
I literally said none of what you wrote? Talking about a manager elevating a player equates to "plucking an unknown 80m CB". Mate I know a fair few don't seem to like you. Personally, I have no real issues. But when I see that kind of bad faith arguing and gaslighting, it leaves a sour taste. I don't engage with that nonsense.No response, no worries pal![]()
50% win rate is decent job because we lost Martinez and Shaw ?The season is a write-off in terms of league position but we’ve got the cup final to come and we can get a result there if we play our best and get a bit of luck.
Either way, I think Erik is doing a decent job in the circumstances and will do much better next year. If we keep him, he’ll justify it.
This is just a thing our fans do.@Skills was right
I couldn't care less mateI literally said none of what you wrote? Talking about a manager elevating a player equates to "plucking an unknown 80m CB". Mate I know a fair few don't seem to like you. Personally, I have no real issues. Bur when I see that kind of bad faith arguing and gaslighting, it leaves a sour taste. I don't engage with that nonsense.
Yes I know. As have our managers. This wasn't the conversation though.He's been well backed.
Yes and I explained the clear difference but you refuse to acknowledge it for whatever reason.Yes I know. As have our managers. This wasn't the conversation though.
By resources do you mean money chucked at random players with no real footballing strategy or ideology? Let’s just get a hodge podge of random players and hope it sticks. Let’s go and sign players past their best for silly money and hope their experience works in our favour. Or perhaps, the best one, let’s sign a player from a much smaller club in a bang average league, currently on 80k a week and offer them 350k a week to play for us? While allowing them to not run or give a feck.Yep, there have been systematic problems above them for sure. Recruitment has been crap but then we have mostly given managers control over targets so they've have to share in blame for that.
Despite how poorly the club has been run, a top manager given the control and the resources the last 5 have received would have did a lot more with them than we've managed since 2013.
Completely disingenuous to suggest that is the extent of our issues.50% win rate is decent job because we lost Martinez and Shaw ?
So, it was the structure? It wasn't that Liverpool struck gold with a top class manager. What has structure got to do with a manager having the man management skills to elevate players? Did Fergie have a fantastic structure for his whole tenure? What makes you think a structure will make ETH a better manager?He was given the structure to succeed as well as the money.
Wrong. My standard is we must be the best. We all want the club to win, everything. That’s really the underlying point. The success we really want isn’t measured by how many times you feck it up in season 2. It’s “are we the best again yet?”. The answer to that will be “no” for a good while yet.Decent job
Some of you have zero standards for this club
Hardly surprising. Fans gave Moyes a standing ovation during his struggles.Tweet
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I'm being kind by not mentioning his own signingsCompletely disingenuous to suggest that is the extent of our issues.
True but with those two fit for most of the season, it would be a completely different story. They are the two humdingers.Completely disingenuous to suggest that is the extent of our issues.
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You can't be serious thinking no manager would do better than ETHWrong. My standard is we must be the best. We all want the club to win, everything. That’s really the underlying point. The success we really want isn’t measured by how many times you feck it up in season 2. It’s “are we the best again yet?”. The answer to that will be “no” for a good while yet.
I don’t think any manager could do better than Erik at the moment. Look at Poch. He was the other favourite for our job. They’re more fecked than us. Potter was another name, shite.
To do profoundly better than we have done so far is impossible. We don’t have the players. You must be able to see that.
It's nauseating."Structure"
It feels like a low ability kindergarten class got taught a new word this year.
No, my statement "He was given the structure to succeed" means it is a combination of both.So, it was the structure? It wasn't that Liverpool struck gold with a top class manager. What has structure got to do with a manager having the man management skills to elevate players? Did Fergie have a fantastic structure for his whole tenure? What makes you think a structure will make ETH a better manager?
I agree we need to restructure but we've also appointed managers in an absolutely directionless manner. I don't see how a structure will make everything better for ETH.
What was your point?You can if there isn't a unified vision within the club.
What is your point? you know the obvious difference between what you are comparing...
Indeed mate.And let's be honest, most laughed at Liverpool paying that for a bloke in his mid 20's after 2 seasons at Southampton, coming from Celtic. Yes, he looked good but Klopp clearly elevated his levels to probably the best in the world at one point. This us rough because I hate the pair of them![]()
Speaking from experience?"Structure"
It feels like a low ability kindergarten class got taught a new word this year.
Yes, hopefully going forward it will improve things. But, it's also become some holy grail that some are pinning all their hopes on. We've been an absolute shambles for a long time, so it'll be interesting to see the direction the club takes with qualified people in key positions.No, my statement "He was given the structure to succeed" means it is a combination of both.
Fergie is a one-off outlier. Football isn't like that anymore.
I didn't say it would make ETH a better manager, but I believe that getting the recruitment right is crucial in any successful club and the first step that any elite club needs to get right.
You agreed that our plan has been directionless but then went on to say that you don't see how giving it a direction would make it better. I think that is self-explanatory as to why it would be better no?