Álvaro Morata | Performances

As a Chelsea fan I can admit Morata is terrible. But those saying Lukaku is “way better” are just wrong. Lukaku has been playing in this league for a lot longer. They are both as awful as each other. Non of the other top 6 would want these 2. Let’s all stop kidding ourselves.
 
LoveFootball said:
Surely a 75M rising to 90M should be playing week in week out, isn't It?
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Not necessarily, if another player is performing better or enhancing the team then they deserve to play. It's funny but he's still our top goal scorer this season....
 
Champ said:
Not necessarily, if another player is performing better or enhancing the team then they deserve to play. It's funny but he's still our top goal scorer this season....
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We bought him to be our main striker, if he can't keep a 20 year old boy out of the team then he has no business sitting on our bench. A bench player at 200k/w? No, thanks. There are less expensive strikers who can do the same job with better all round game than him.

Lukaku is no better than Morata in my eyes. Morata is suffering from a lack of confidence since last season, something went wrong for him at Chelsea. He was scoring for fun at Madrid and was a much better player at Juve
 
LoveFootball said:
We bought him to be our main striker, if he can't keep a 20 year old boy out of the team then he has no business sitting on our bench. A bench player at 200k/w? No, thanks. There are less expensive strikers who can do the same job with better all round game than him.

Lukaku is no better than Morata in my eyes. Morata is suffering from a lack of confidence since last season, something went wrong for him at Chelsea. He was scoring for fun at Madrid and was a much better player at Juve
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There's no better striker at United in terms of goalscoring, more goals per minutes that anyone else at the club and our top scorer yet again, despite being benched repeatedly.
So Lukaku is crap but Morata is having a crisis if confidence? Over two seasons?? Your reasoning lacks logic.
Plus Morata has never been prolific!!
 
giorno said:
Main reason he wasn't scoring was he wasn't starting many games. The other is that, as we both said, he's inconsistent. But the urgency and hunger were always there. He was still trying stuff, still making his presence felt. He's never gone through such a prolonged bad spell like this before. The loss of confidence he seems to have suffered at chelsea is nothing like what he went through previously
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Ah, I think we mean different things by confidence. I think you can still play with urgency and desire while lacking confidence. The most obvious example of that for us was probably Falcao. If anything he was trying too hard.

Morata has good movement and is a good technical finisher, and Juve were mostly playing well, so the main explanation for him going so long without making a difference in the final third is confidence, IMO. Not getting in the right positions to get the chances, and not finishing the fewer chances he got. I think you're being very generous in how you describe it personally.

He went 500 minutes without a goal in both of those rough patches through a combination of starts and sub appearances over a period of months. That's a pretty prolonged patch of poor form in my book. No doubt he's having a harder time of it now, but that's in part because he had less responsibility at Juve. When it's all mental, that helps.
 
Champ said:
There's no better striker at United in terms of goalscoring, more goals per minutes that anyone else at the club and our top scorer yet again, despite being benched repeatedly.
So Lukaku is crap but Morata is having a crisis if confidence? Over two seasons?? Your reasoning lacks logic.
Plus Morata has never been prolific!!
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It's worrying that he has been benched despite him being our best goal scorer, isn't it? If he was as good as you think, no one would be screaming for him to be benched/sold.

Morata was prolific for Madrid. There's a reason he went for big money.
 
LoveFootball said:
It's worrying that he has been benched despite him being our best goal scorer, isn't it? If he was as good as you think, no one would be screaming for him to be benched/sold.

Morata was prolific for Madrid. There's a reason he went for big money.
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What? 15 league goals is prolific now?
 
20 goals in all competitions is prolific only for Morata. When it's one of our own players like Lukaku it's not good enough.

This guy has a wayward touch, horrible finishing, horrible hold-up play. You know you're bad when there's a legit comparison between you and Lukaku this season (the worst season in his whole career).
 
Champ said:
There's no better striker at United in terms of goalscoring, more goals per minutes that anyone else at the club and our top scorer yet again, despite being benched repeatedly.
So Lukaku is crap but Morata is having a crisis if confidence? Over two seasons?? Your reasoning lacks logic.
Plus Morata has never been prolific!!
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Morata actually has a better goals per minute ratio this season than Lukaku. Both are pretty terrible
 
Both players are somewhat victims of inflated transfer market hype. The pressure for any 80m player to perform is always going to be immense. If both players were bought for 30m, most fans would simply write off their mediocrity and move on without moaning about it.
 
LoveFootball said:
We bought him to be our main striker, if he can't keep a 20 year old boy out of the team then he has no business sitting on our bench. A bench player at 200k/w? No, thanks. There are less expensive strikers who can do the same job with better all round game than him.

Lukaku is no better than Morata in my eyes. Morata is suffering from a lack of confidence since last season, something went wrong for him at Chelsea. He was scoring for fun at Madrid and was a much better player at Juve
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Not this again, if the last 2 years have shown anything it's that Lukaku is so much better than Morata it's not even a subject for debate any longer. That said Lukaku isn't and was never good enough for us either. He's still a lot better than Morata though
 
Raoul said:
Both players are somewhat victims of inflated transfer market hype. The pressure for any 80m player to perform is always going to be immense. If both players were bought for 30m, most fans would simply write off their mediocrity and move on without moaning about it.
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Neither would've gone for those fees if it wasn't for the Neymar transfer that summer.

Don't think you were ever getting Lukaku for 30m though - that's what Everton paid Chelsea to have him.
 
charlenefan said:
Not this again, if the last 2 years have shown anything it's that Lukaku is so much better than Morata it's not even a subject for debate any longer. That said Lukaku isn't and was never good enough for us either. He's still a lot better than Morata though
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What made the difference between the 2 is that when one went through a bad spell, he got benched and replaced by someone else resulting in him losing confidence and motivation, while the other when in the same situation was made untouchable and undropable by his manager when everyone was screaming for him to get benched. Look at what a lack of confidence did to Lukaku at the start of the season.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Lukaku had been playing week in week out till his slump in form this season. He is still also comfortably out scoring Morata even in his slump. Honestly its not even close
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Mourinho made him untouchable for no reason, even when he went 9 games without scoring and was horrible. He scored 16 goals in the league last season playing in almost every minute of every game, this is not an impressive record.
This season he scored goals but missed many and was horrible to watch, reason why his father opted for benching him despite being his preferred.
 
Brwned said:
Ah, I think we mean different things by confidence. I think you can still play with urgency and desire while lacking confidence. The most obvious example of that for us was probably Falcao. If anything he was trying too hard.

Morata has good movement and is a good technical finisher, and Juve were mostly playing well, so the main explanation for him going so long without making a difference in the final third is confidence, IMO. Not getting in the right positions to get the chances, and not finishing the fewer chances he got. I think you're being very generous in how you describe it personally.

He went 500 minutes without a goal in both of those rough patches through a combination of starts and sub appearances over a period of months. That's a pretty prolonged patch of poor form in my book. No doubt he's having a harder time of it now, but that's in part because he had less responsibility at Juve. When it's all mental, that helps.
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There are levels to this. Imho the signs of a lack of confidence are either a fear of trying, or too much urgency. The second, which he went through at jiventus as well, is generally minor and momentary and tends to pass as soon as the player starts to either score or contribute in meaningful ways. The former, which usuall follows the latter, is more complete and serious and far more difficult to get through. And it's what's happening to him now
 
giorno said:
There are levels to this. Imho the signs of a lack of confidence are either a fear of trying, or too much urgency. The second, which he went through at jiventus as well, is generally minor and momentary and tends to pass as soon as the player starts to either score or contribute in meaningful ways. The former, which usuall follows the latter, is more complete and serious and far more difficult to get through. And it's what's happening to him now
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Totally agree. But he went through the less important drops in confidence more often than you'd want from your main striker. That's the main reason for the OP. His debut was just another signal about his mental fragility.
 
LoveFootball said:
What made the difference between the 2 is that when one went through a bad spell, he got benched and replaced by someone else resulting in him losing confidence and motivation, while the other when in the same situation was made untouchable and undropable by his manager when everyone was screaming for him to get benched. Look at what a lack of confidence did to Lukaku at the start of the season.
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Thanks for pointing out yet another reason why Lukaku is better than Morata - mental toughness

Even when Lukaku was shit for us by the way he'd still go and score tons for his country
 
He's just a mentally fragile guy. It's incredible how he managed to become a professional footballer at the highest level with such weak character.
 
Raoul said:
Both players are somewhat victims of inflated transfer market hype. The pressure for any 80m player to perform is always going to be immense. If both players were bought for 30m, most fans would simply write off their mediocrity and move on without moaning about it.
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Are you ready to accept that maybe people had legitimate concerns about him, that you felt differently about, instead of it being all down to this?

Raoul said:
Its the jilted lover syndrome
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Or are you still so confident in your own opinion that you can only conclude if people thought differently, it's just because their judgment was clouded by all of these silly biases, emotions and other things that you're not subject to?
 
starman said:
Morata actually has a better goals per minute ratio this season than Lukaku. Both are pretty terrible
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Morata is decent but over rated. Lukaku is very good and somewhat underrated by some on that caf for some unknown reason.
Over the two seasons so far Lukaku has been by far the better player, this season Lukaku has offered way more and despite a poor season so far still is our top scorer and has more prem goals than Morata, despite being a striker in a Jose defensive set up team.
 
antihenry said:
He's just a mentally fragile guy. It's incredible how he managed to become a professional footballer at the highest level with such weak character.
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He became one because he's very talented. He's got all the technical tools to lead the line at a top club (we've even seen it ourselves in stages) but his mind is too fragile to produce consistently.
 
charlenefan said:
Thanks for pointing out yet another reason why Lukaku is better than Morata - mental toughness

Even when Lukaku was shit for us by the way he'd still go and score tons for his country
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Didn't say this, but while I agree Morata is mentally weak, I don't think Lukaku is tough either.
 
Champ said:
Morata is decent but over rated. Lukaku is very good and somewhat underrated by some on that caf for some unknown reason.
Over the two seasons so far Lukaku has been by far the better player, this season Lukaku has offered way more and despite a poor season so far still is our top scorer and has more prem goals than Morata, despite being a striker in a Jose defensive set up team.
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In your opinion...
Stat wise Lukaku is marginally better minutes per goal over last two seasons. Neither are top players. Not sure why people defend Lukaku so much and can't accept he's not a top quality striker, who shouldn't be at United in the first place.
He's a slightly better Darren Bent, who also had a pretty decent record, but didnt offer much else
 
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starman said:
In your opinion...
Stat wise Lukaku is marginally better minutes per goal over last two seasons. Neither are top players. Not sure why people defend Lukaku so much and can't accept he's not a top quality striker, who shouldn't be at United in the first place.
He's a slightly better Darren Bent, who also had a pretty decent record, but didnt offer much else
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Darren Bent - 221 career goals in 581 games at 34years - 9 seasons outside the top flight.
Romelu Lukaku - 226 career goals in 472 games at 26years.
One is apparently slightly better than the other. A joke.
 
starman said:
In your opinion...
Stat wise Lukaku is marginally better minutes per goal over last two seasons. Neither are top players. Not sure why people defend Lukaku so much and can't accept he's not a top quality striker, who shouldn't be at United in the first place.
He's a slightly better Darren Bent, who also had a pretty decent record, but didnt offer much else
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Lukaku is some way from being in say Agueros league, but he is certainly a top player. 109 premiership goals is a very good achievement, the stats don't lie in this instance.
Isn't a strikers main job to score? To belittle Bent for scoring goals and offering nothing else is quite frankly clutching at straws.
 
Mcking said:
Darren Bent - 221 career goals in 581 games at 34years - 9 seasons outside the top flight.
Romelu Lukaku - 226 career goals in 472 games at 26years.
One is apparently slightly better than the other. A joke.
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Bent 277 PL games 106 Goals
Lukaku 238 PL games 108 Goals

As I said marginally better all the while Lukaku played for better teams. Don't be that selective fan boy.
Anyway point is they are similar that they don't offer the team much other then being decent in the box
 
Champ said:
Lukaku is some way from being in say Agueros league, but he is certainly a top player. 109 premiership goals is a very good achievement, the stats don't lie in this instance.
Isn't a strikers main job to score? To belittle Bent for scoring goals and offering nothing else is quite frankly clutching at straws.
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Its stating facts, if you actually saw him play and are just not going off stats. Lukaku and Bent are very similar. It's why when Bent moved up a level to Spurs he was not used as much as he was found out as a limited player for a topish... club. Same with Lukaku, hes not and will never be a top level player good enough to lead a top team.
He's very lucky he had Mou, as manager who stuck with him, even when he was performing terribly. If goals are the only thing to take into account, if United had signed Morata, and Mou stuck with him even when playing bad, iam pretty sure he would have as good as record as Lukaku has at United.

If you compare over the last two seasons Morata offers a goal every 177 minutes, compared to Lukakus 162 minutes, pretty sure that evens its self out a bit if Morata was given the run Lukaku had. Neither are top quality, but when people say its no comparison, eh, yeah it is, maybe not from subjective points of views...but stat wise it's closer then people probably thought
 
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starman said:
Bent 277 PL games 106 Goals
Lukaku 238 PL games 108 Goals

As I said marginally better all the while Lukaku played for better teams. Don't be that selective fan boy.
Anyway point is they are similar that they don't offer the team much other then being decent in the box
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There is nothing similar or marginally better about that record, Lukaku's record is far better. You did well ignoring the career Lukaku has had - club and international - and yet I'm the one handpicking.
The fact Bent spent 9 seasons of his career outside the top flight, picking up just 13 caps says everything you need to know. He was an average EPL to Championship striker at best. Lukaku is several levels above that.
 
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starman said:
In your opinion...
Stat wise Lukaku is marginally better minutes per goal over last two seasons. Neither are top players. Not sure why people defend Lukaku so much and can't accept he's not a top quality striker, who shouldn't be at United in the first place.
He's a slightly better Darren Bent, who also had a pretty decent record, but didnt offer much else
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Can people stop with the minutes to goal nonsense? Morata is either being hooked from the game cause he's been shit or is coming on late in games because he's too shit to start.
That's why his stats look close to reasonable.
Its why total goals scored is hilariously ignored because Morata made 5 sub appearances in a row falling over his own feet.
 
A post about morata and yet we are discussing about lukaku. Said it in the lukaku thread, some people want lukaku to fail.
 
Mcking said:
There is nothing similar or marginally better about that record, Lukaku's record is far better. You did well ignoring the career Lukaku has had - club and international - and yet I'm the one handpicking.
The fact Bent spent 9 seasons of his career outside the top flight, picking up just 13 caps says everything you need to know. He was an average EPL to Championship striker at best. Lukaku is several levels above that.
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I am doing a direct comparison.

You are being selective. Who cares about international football. Does Lukaku have Rooney or Owen as competition? Again stop trying to bend circumstance. Comparing PL record is the best direct comparison and as said marginally better. I mean, i bet you have never seen Bent play so the actual comparison in style has gone over your head
 
cyberman said:
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Can people stop with the minutes to goal nonsense? Morata is either being hooked from the game cause he's been shit or is coming on late in games because he's too shit to start.
That's why his stats look close to reasonable.
Its why total goals scored is hilariously ignored because Morata made 5 sub appearances in a row falling over his own feet.
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Why are you another Lukaku fan boy and it hurts the notion that he's not as good as you think if he is comparative to Morata?
 
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