I never said Herrera didn't have a good game. I gave him a 9/10 in the match ratings (and Matic an 8), but i did that because i watched the game. I don't care how many interceptions whoscored.com say he made or how many tackles. When you see a list of stats its usually from the posters who don't know what they're on about (Smalling thread, Pogba thread and so on) or a Ronaldo vs thread.
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I thought he was excellent in Jose's first year. His second years under LVG and Mourinho he was wasted by them though. Glad to see Ole getting the best out of him.
That has always been strange. He would play well, be ignored, play, ignored and so on for no obvious reasons. That's why the perception of his performances has always been misguided. He's rarely played poorly for us and I've always said he is good enough for a CM at Manchester United. The weird thing is he's been of a fair few players receiving similar treatment under past regimes.
He loves United, genuinely. Such humility to work as hard with his future not penned yet. Typical, all-round Man United CM.
He was brilliant no doubt..
I liked how he actually stopped some crosses, just stopped them and then passed the ball. (compared to Lukaku who can't stop a fecking pass)
He had the b@lls to stop the ball dead in our box and not panic.
He had the b@lls to stop the ball dead in our box and not panic.
Van Gaal didnt like him. Herrera was not robotic and safe enough for him, he was too instinctive. He had to change his game a lot to fit his philosophy, and sometimes he didnt play to van Gaal's liking and got dropped. He could score a goal and make an assist, but with van Gaal other things matter more, like decision making and positioning for example or if you exactly played like he said to you. So if he would be box to box and played terrific, that could mean the bench for him for a few weeks, because van Gaal wanted something else. I remember when he always told him to take a touch before a shot or pass instead of going for it directly.
Mourinho was more baffling. First season starter and played really well, then bought Matic and Jose preferred Pogba, Matic and Fellaini to him. It is quite a weird one, since he is a Jose type of player with his character and attitude, maybe not play style with his lack of pressing. Then the talk about mad dogs when he benched the mad dog in our squad. With Jose i dont know if he is genuinely stuck in the past or if he is doing things wrong on purpose. His interviews were garbage here, but then you watch him as an expert, and he knows everything and talks well. As soon as he went back here as manager, he did baffling things. Jose also never really had a starting eleven here, chop and change on a weekly basis. I dont think he knows what he is doing after a while in a job nowadays and just makes the wrong decisions again and again.
part of the strength of the team now is Ole pretty much plays the same 11 if he can.
Changes only because of tiredness or injury.
Changes only because of tiredness or injury.
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3+1 would be ideal, I say
One of the accomplished midfield performances in the English game that against Chelsea. He did everything, everywhere.
This was about the dumbest thing that man did, it is bordering on psychopathic self delusion when you are complaining about not having mad dogs but benching the about the best mad dog there is in the league.
Martial might be a younger and a flashier deal to tie down but this will be just as key IMO.
Weirdly enough, I've never lost any sleep about his contract situation as I just can't see him moving anywhere else unlike the DDG, pogba, martial cases.
Almost like a homegrown player, our mad dog Ander.
Van Gaal was terrible , so was Moyes. Playing Rooney and Fellaini in midfield and keeping Herrera on bench was ridiculous whichever way you look at. Herrera is an instinctive player with great energy levels and he is a must in a 2 man midfield.
He loves it here there's no doubt if we offer him a new deal he'll stay.
*As long as he feels he'll be first choice.
I'm guessing that is the hold-up at the moment. He's spent most of the last few years being only a squad player here, and likely that is what the contract we were offering him reflects. I presume he is holding out until he feels that he is considered to be first choice, both by the manager and the club (and therefore the wage we are offering should reflect that). Hopefully he's proven enough since Ole took over that it'll get done soon.
If I were him I'd be asking for a lot more money than what I expect the club's first offer was. He knows he's a very important senior player in the squad and it makes sense for him to ask for at least 250k a week.
Three year contract for Herrera and 5 years contract for Jones, makes sense.
Maybe its just something about the fact that Herrera is 29 and Jones is 26? Naa it must be that Woodward hates good players.
Jones is 27 as of today
2 and a half years between them, and about 100 different injuries.
I remember hearing something like when Herrera scored a header arriving at the back post on the left hand side vs. Everton in a 3-0 away win Herrera got a bollocking from LVG for playing out of position. That was our best performance up to that point that season and Herrera was MOTM. That was in 2015.
Mourinho certainly looked like he was doing things wrong on purpose. I think he just wanted to be smarter than everyone and when results went wrong he couldn't swallow his pride and do what he and everyone knew were the right things. LVG was the same.
I thought the same, he looks like a fecking giant there.
A real shame he is already 29 and will be 30 at next season's start. We should had played him like this since he arrived 4 years ago, we completely wasted him.
Big game for Herrera on Sunday. Can he get on the ball and do something against this midfield? Liverpool will be happy to give us the ball and pick us off on the break so time for Ander to show that he can be effective in possession as well as when we don’t have the ball.
It's ok, he isn't senile yet
Just take a look at this warrior! Can you believe there was a time I actually fell out of love with him? Damn you mourinho!
Also with each and every passing game most of our players are now gaining the confidence to actually pass with COMPOSURE. Its been a lost art of ours for some time. Even ashley young nowadays has started making inverted passes instead of his usual longballs to an unwanting lukaku. Its a matter of time before we get back to that culture of playing with class and its good to have players like herrera who can do that while also being a nuisance to the opposition.
That's a very good point you've brought up and one I feel is not highlighted enough.
It is criminal how much people downplay confidence in doing even the most basic of things such as passing the ball and composure to do it under pressure.
You would never see us play with such confidence under you-know-who and that's why I laugh whenever I hear people say the players downed tools, they just didn't have the confidence to play in the way they can. Simple.
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My heart sank when I saw he was injured, there's an international break coming up though, right? So hopefully that will give him enough time to get fit, but this is what comes from not being able to rotate the midfield, you can't play like Ander does without some rotation.
I noticed Herrera went down with the injury not too long after he took a knee to the hamstring he was holding from Matip (when he stepped across him to prevent him running into the box). I wonder if he just got a dead leg from that and thought his hamstring had gone. Though maybe I'm just being optimistic.
Fergie would have loved him.
Yeah, thats where I thought it happened too. He gets celebrated for a lot of his shithousery (which hes great at) but the way he moves, presses and his on the ball ability is often underrated. Hes a good passer of the ball.
Throwback Friday - was leading from an early age, so cute.
Oh my goodness he was cute wasn't he.
PhysioRoom says no return date.He really was! Still has that baby face as well.
When is he back by the way?
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