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Yes you are correct. His 19th birthday is this Saturday.
Have you watched him before you make such comments. Or is Ole the second coming now and everything he does is now right?
As I stated we have some quality young players, and we would all like to see them get their chance, but bring them in slowly from the bench until they prove that the are ready. Ole and his coaches know that these young men are good enough, but if they were to have a bad start it could ruin their whole career. Slowly is the best way.
I agree, We need a couple of midfielders in January. We are a couple of injuries away from disaster, say if Pogba and Mctominay got injured.
You can bring them in slowly from the bench if they don’t even make the bench in the case of Gomes
I hope he's as promising as those 2 mentioned.
Ole has it pretty tough, doesn't he? Other than actual football and results he seems to be judged pretty harshly based on giving playing time to like 5 players with virtually no PL experience (and most of them any at all at men level) - Gomes, Greenwood, Garner, Tuanzebe and now I'm reading in the Brandom Williams thread about how he should leave if he doesn't play him over Young.
It's actually ridiculous, that amount of youngsters from one group rarely develops to top team level, let alone delivering with their first involvements. This is just bound to end in Mcnair/Blackett/Borthwick-Jackson way looking at some people's expectations towards the boys. Pereira looked outstanding at youth level, even did very well with Valencia as well. Now everyone's calling him useless. Same with Mctominay. Showed a lot of improvement, fought his way into the first eleven and after 2 questionable appearances the tone quickly changed.If he's at their level he should be playing.
Is there anything worse than playing a youngster over a player like Lingard (4 league goals 2 assists) & Mata (3 league goals 2 assists)?
How long would you persist with playing youngsters over experienced players if the results aren't good and United are 8th-12th in the table? Is the purpose of United's existence to develop players rather than compete for trophies?
Let's not be overly dramatic. No one's talking about replacing all seniors with youth at once we're talking about giving an 18 year old some minutes over a senior player who is a proven failure. You rotate them and let them compete.
The same question that I would like to ask how long would you persist with playing Lingard / Mata over more talented & hungry players if the results aren't good and United finish outside top 4 again like last season?
He introduced a 17 y.o. to change the game. How many youngsters should he play to please people?
Except he doesn't. Daft exaggerations would take you nowhere.
Basically, they play against shit young teams and are asked to perform at a completelt different level better than English internationals. It's like going from the 150th best league in the world to the very best league and make a difference there. Ole's job is not to experiment and find a jem but to win a CL spot and get us back to the top.
Sorry correction, he played like Messi against grown men Rotherham and that's why he rarely features with U23 team anymore.
Ok, hope you are right and Ole will play him soon. Think he'll get a chance in EL and other cup games anyway.
Right for what? Our discussion was started by my question:
Where is the gas exactly? All that says is that nobody knows what's going on in training and that people shouldn't assume it's a player's doing.
Depends on how good the youngster actually is. Who is best placed to estimate the quality of youngsters? Muppets on a football forum or the manager and the coaches who train them every day? This idea that Lingard and Mata contribute almost nothing and if you replace them with anybody nothing would change betrays a poor understanding of the game. There is much more to football than the goals/assist numbers.
Whilst I see what Lingard offers against the big teams, ultimately against a parked bus what counts is goals and assists. Both our seemingly first choice no.10s are next to useless on those occasions.
Let's hope Ole is smart enough to notice it and play Gomes against the next parked bus.
Mata's an infinitely better choice against a parked bus, as is Fred next to McTom and Pogba at 10. Andreas is also much more likely to pick a pass or score a goal.
We are in Gomes's thread. I think we are all know which youngster you are referring to otherwise you won't be on this thread. Well, it seems the coaches who train Sancho every day at City couldn't see what he can become when the players is given the opportunity & time for experiences & improvement. But the one you called muppets could see.
If things don't go well, Ole will play Gomes. We beat Chelsea and drew with Wolves away, it was only natural to continue with the same team. If we lose from Soton, new things will be tried and eventually Gomes will get his chance.
He's a decent squad player and an ok option to come off the bench to chase and close down. Beyond that...I'm unconvinced.
I'm sure we'll look for new players in his position in the next transfer windows if some of the younger players do not step up in the meantime. Arguably, Lingard contributes more to our high-pressing game than any other player and this is an important reason why he plays together with his acelleration which is really good.
What’s gas is that nobody knows what is going on in training but you’re assuming that something unlikely is happening (Gomes dominating but not being picked) because that’s the version of reality that best suits your agenda here.
That's actually not what I said at all. It's very clear what I said. I'm saying you don't know what's going on in training and him dominating was a hypothetical, not one that I believe in btw, but the other end of "he sucks in training." All I did was give parameters of what could be going on in training. I didn't offer my opinion on how he's doing in training.
For Brighton he isn't but for Manchester United yes he is that bad.
Ok. Well I have no dog in this fight either. I just think there’s so many unknowns here we have to go with the most likely scenario. Based on what he’s been showing in training and all the input from coaches who’ve known him for years Ole has made the correct decision in not playing Gomes yet. Watching pre-season and reserves/underage games doesn’t give us much reliable information about exactly when a player is ready for PL minutes. Hence fans have been getting this wrong many many times over the years.
Gomes was better than both in pre-season when he got on the pitch.
No definitely not.
