Who is the athletico dof, and should we be impressed by that?
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Dunno and dunno
But considering he obviously played a hand in getting a team with a budget competiting and even trumping Barcelona and Real Madrid, I'd say he must be alright
I don't give a feck what they are like as people. I'm not perfect myself. Honestly, I just don't trust the guy that the players of his last 2 clubs wanted out, with my favorite club. I'm also not a football puritan and idealist but I'd never want to see us play like Chelsea against us last season, for example.So who did/do you want instead? Pep and Mourinho are both lunatics, so is Simeone.. Who is left?
If he does become manager, I'll support him. I was one of the few that didn't want LVG but I've defended him more than most, once he was hired.
I am tired and on the phone. Really can't express myself as well as I want right now. Maybe tomorrow, if I still care enough
Great. So this is what we can expect:
1. The players will not like and respect him after 2 or 3 years so we need another manager again.
2. When we go up against MC he will instruct the team to kick the s__ out of them like he had RM do against Barca many times.
3. More 1-0 matches then 3-1 because defense is king.
4. Embarrassing behavior after losses.
Yep, I can see why so many want him as a manager.
1. The players will not like and respect him after 2 or 3 years so we need another manager again.
2. When we go up against MC he will instruct the team to kick the s__ out of them like he had RM do against Barca many times.
3. More 1-0 matches then 3-1 because defense is king.
4. Embarrassing behavior after losses.
Yep, I can see why so many want him as a manager.
Well, to tell LvG whats going on sounds like a bad idea tbf.
He will know when he needs to know.
He will know when he needs to know.
What he said. ^
As opposed to league and CL wins then.
If we are going to list everything that comes with Mouriniho what about the endless titles?
It's a bit surreal that LvG is denying the possibility the hierarchy are in discussion with Mourinho when by all accounts Woodward and LvG had started talks a month or so before Moyes got the bullet.
How did it end up like this again?
How did it end up like this again?
So, there are certainly upsides to this...
First time I've ever wanted anything in The Sun to be true.
1. so what are our alternatives then? giggs? pochettino? blanc? none of the managers (if you count giggs as a full fledged manager) I listed have managed a club for more than 3 years. let's concern about stability after we earn some success again.
2. no he won't.
3. we have more 1-0s this season than 3-1s. and I don't care so long as we get the 3 points.
4. depends. if you're talking about last season you have a point. but we have to take the risk.
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Well LVG would say that.
Mourinho has his faults, but so many people are ignoring the positives of his potential appointment.
I too prefer Pep, but with no other alternative, I believe Mourinho is the best option.
The only manager to pip Pep to a league title? Mourinho and it was vs Pep's Barcelona.
I too prefer Pep, but with no other alternative, I believe Mourinho is the best option.
The only manager to pip Pep to a league title? Mourinho and it was vs Pep's Barcelona.
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There are plenty of alternatives. This claiming there are no other alternatives business is really pathetic, its a smokescreen or a diversion. Open your eyes and have a good look.
Who are the alternatives?
Giggs? Pochettino? 1 who's never managed anywhere and another who's never won anything? Do we really need to take another risk?
Don't forget Gary Neville
At the end of a day, as much as we'd love to play Barca like football every week, we realistically can't with the squad we have and the personnel available. Mourinho is a winner, and we need to start winning again to get back to where we belong. I really don't understand all of the moaning. He's simply the best option available, end of the story.
If we sign this cnut I will put 50 quid that we don't win either.
When anything of note happens, I'll threadmark it like I've done with the van Gaal quotes. The first 32 pages of the thread can be summarised as people arguing over the qualities of Mourinho.
You have been saying that repeatedly, but I don't remember you mentioning those plenty alternatives.
So, why won't you point a list of those plenty alternatives, with some small description why they would be better choices than Mourinho?
Please, no David Moyes this time.
do you not reckon they would have told van Gaal? would be interested to know. slightly awkward situation for the wood man
That's a fairly big statement from lvg, is it not?
Considering how close he and Woody are meant to be I would be surprised if the club went behind his back for Jose. I would have though it would be similar scenario to Pep and City
Maybe, just maybe those reports were false
Considering how close he and Woody are meant to be I would be surprised if the club went behind his back for Jose. I would have though it would be similar scenario to Pep and City
Maybe, just maybe those reports were false
It does throw some doubt on the whole thing. Plus Jose has now said he will continue to live in London, which is obviously an issue.
Ah, that's great, thanks.
There's only one answer to pep fancy japanese racing car, its the good ol american muscle!
feck tippy tappy, we hit em hard where we need it, get the 3pts and feck em
I like it.
feck tippy tappy, we hit em hard where we need it, get the 3pts and feck em
I like it.
Thw man offered to resign twice and he's upset we're finding his replacement?
So he isnt coming to OT? Good
You do realise those are false reports, right? Don't go full nutter. It's for your own good.
And did Moyes know or allude to the fact that they were speaking to another manager? I wouldn't think that the current manager would be in the loop regarding his replacement, unless it was a Fergie type situation.It's a bit surreal that LvG is denying the possibility the hierarchy are in discussion with Mourinho when by all accounts Woodward and LvG had started talks a month or so before Moyes got the bullet.
How did it end up like this again?
Dont let facts get in the way whatever you do
He very angrily denied those reports
BBC, Balague and Di Marzio are all reporting the same thing basically, so I think it's safe to say that it's going to happen. Can't see how Van Gaal's denial changes anything. He was always going to react this way, even if he knew about the negotiations. We won't do the same thing City did last week, I'm pretty sure of that.
Exactly, he just needs to ignore Jose in his office with a measuring tape and curtain swaths.
Manchester United face a seminal moment - if they really want a boss who will rescue the club's spirit give the job to Ryan Giggs by Oliver Holt
So immediately, there was talk of how United should respond. How should they match City? How should they banish that gnawing feeling they were being left behind? The easiest, laziest answer was to get a trophy manager all of their own. That was one of the reasons why reports that Jose Mourinho is confident he will be the United boss next season seemed credible. United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward likes trophy players and trophy managers. That's his style. He is a football neophyte who is impressed by big names.
Mourinho as the next boss has got Woodward's fingerprints all over it. In the short term, it would buy Woodward time with an increasingly disillusioned fan-base. In the short term, it's a crowd-pleaser that would make him look good. In the short term, it would silence dissent. But is it really a solution to United's problems? The suspicion is that Mourinho would just bring more of the same.
The Portuguese is a modern version of Louis van Gaal. He is not going to bring flowing, attacking football back to Old Trafford. If he comes, he will bring discord, cheap shots and efficiency. He may bring trophies, too, but he will not bring back the magic.
If United want to compete with Guardiola, if they want to make an appointment that has the power to unnerve City and create an intensity of feeling that Guardiola cannot match at the Etihad, there is a solution available that is a lot simpler than Mourinho.
The solution is right under their noses. Give the job to Ryan Giggs and give it to him now. Not on a caretaker basis, either. Give him a four-and-half-year contract and let him breathe new life into a club ossifying under the yoke of Van Gaal and being taken backwards by the impressionable incompetence of Woodward.
Sure, Giggs is short of experience, but so was Guardiola when he took over at Barcelona. So is Zinedine Zidane, who has just been given the manager's role at Real Madrid. Sometimes, if you want to think really big, you don't go out and buy a managerial legend; you create a new one all of your own. He will not betray that legacy of attacking play, as Van Gaal has done.
Sure, Giggs is a risk. But then isn't everyone? Turns out Van Gaal was a risk, too. A risk United should never have taken. And Mourinho would be a risk, especially after the way he lost the power to motivate his Chelsea players. He is one of the greats of the game but if it all turned sour for him at a club where he was revered, it could happen at United.
The idea of giving it to Giggs still sounds impossibly sentimental, doesn't it? That's because it is. There is no need to make any apology for that. United are the most sentimental club in the world. When they are at their best, they run on emotion. In the years since Sir Alex Ferguson left, that is the main thing that has been lost. Van Gaal's stultifying football has bored fans into submission. Old Trafford used to be a hotbed of passion. Not any more. People say it's like a library there now but they're wrong. It's more like a mortuary. Van Gaal has sucked the emotion out of the place. It needs to be fed back in.
So give it to Giggs. Rescue the spirit of the club before you do anything else. Make him the manager, think about roles for Gary and Phil Neville, whose talents are in danger of being obscured by the chaos at Valencia, and give Oxford United boss Michael Appleton, another United alumnus, a senior coaching role.
Then sit back and watch the emotion flood back and the results follow. We can at least say this about Giggs and the experience he has had under David Moyes and Van Gaal: he knows what doesn't work. He has seen the holes in the road and he knows how to avoid them.
All those who have worked with him as a coach speak highly of him. And some of those close to him says he has the cold detachment that is a prerequisite for managerial success.He also knows how to reinvigorate Old Trafford. He spent 20 years as a winger in all the great Ferguson sides. He knows how to create the flowing, attacking football that generations of United fans have been raised on. He knows not to betray that legacy, as Van Gaal has done.
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United should think about roles for Gary and Phil Neville, whose talents currently employed at Valencia
Oxford United boss Michael Appleton, another United alumnus, should be given a senior coaching role
This is a seminal moment for United. A crossroads moment. They can take the lazy option with Mourinho and keep going down the road that has led them away from the summit. Or they can take the bold option with Giggs, the option that talks more of romance than commercialism, and go back to their roots. The 58th anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster on Saturday was a day to remember that United are a club built on legends.They are built on the memory of Duncan Edwards standing at the head of his team with his chest puffed out. They are built on George Best slaloming past the Benfica goalkeeper at Wembley to help United win the European Cup in 1968. They are built on the Class of '92 and Roy Keane in Turin and the 'football, bloody hell' mayhem of the Nou Camp in 1999.
Mourinho won't bring that back. He can't. It's not in his DNA. He goes into a club and stays for three years. When he has gone, the only legacy he leaves is scorched earth. If United want to become even more like every other team in England, they'll go for him.
If they want to be special again, if they want to have something that none of the rest can have, if they want true glory, then they'll go for Giggs.
- Manchester City will have Pep Guardiola as their new manager next season
- The move will have Manchester United supporters worried about their rivals
- Jose Mourinho has been linked with replacing manager Louis van Gaal
- But United should adopt a sentimental choice by promoting Ryan Giggs
- Giggs would breathe new life into the club and revive United fans' passion
So immediately, there was talk of how United should respond. How should they match City? How should they banish that gnawing feeling they were being left behind? The easiest, laziest answer was to get a trophy manager all of their own. That was one of the reasons why reports that Jose Mourinho is confident he will be the United boss next season seemed credible. United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward likes trophy players and trophy managers. That's his style. He is a football neophyte who is impressed by big names.
Mourinho as the next boss has got Woodward's fingerprints all over it. In the short term, it would buy Woodward time with an increasingly disillusioned fan-base. In the short term, it's a crowd-pleaser that would make him look good. In the short term, it would silence dissent. But is it really a solution to United's problems? The suspicion is that Mourinho would just bring more of the same.
The Portuguese is a modern version of Louis van Gaal. He is not going to bring flowing, attacking football back to Old Trafford. If he comes, he will bring discord, cheap shots and efficiency. He may bring trophies, too, but he will not bring back the magic.
If United want to compete with Guardiola, if they want to make an appointment that has the power to unnerve City and create an intensity of feeling that Guardiola cannot match at the Etihad, there is a solution available that is a lot simpler than Mourinho.
The solution is right under their noses. Give the job to Ryan Giggs and give it to him now. Not on a caretaker basis, either. Give him a four-and-half-year contract and let him breathe new life into a club ossifying under the yoke of Van Gaal and being taken backwards by the impressionable incompetence of Woodward.
Sure, Giggs is short of experience, but so was Guardiola when he took over at Barcelona. So is Zinedine Zidane, who has just been given the manager's role at Real Madrid. Sometimes, if you want to think really big, you don't go out and buy a managerial legend; you create a new one all of your own. He will not betray that legacy of attacking play, as Van Gaal has done.
Sure, Giggs is a risk. But then isn't everyone? Turns out Van Gaal was a risk, too. A risk United should never have taken. And Mourinho would be a risk, especially after the way he lost the power to motivate his Chelsea players. He is one of the greats of the game but if it all turned sour for him at a club where he was revered, it could happen at United.
The idea of giving it to Giggs still sounds impossibly sentimental, doesn't it? That's because it is. There is no need to make any apology for that. United are the most sentimental club in the world. When they are at their best, they run on emotion. In the years since Sir Alex Ferguson left, that is the main thing that has been lost. Van Gaal's stultifying football has bored fans into submission. Old Trafford used to be a hotbed of passion. Not any more. People say it's like a library there now but they're wrong. It's more like a mortuary. Van Gaal has sucked the emotion out of the place. It needs to be fed back in.
So give it to Giggs. Rescue the spirit of the club before you do anything else. Make him the manager, think about roles for Gary and Phil Neville, whose talents are in danger of being obscured by the chaos at Valencia, and give Oxford United boss Michael Appleton, another United alumnus, a senior coaching role.
Then sit back and watch the emotion flood back and the results follow. We can at least say this about Giggs and the experience he has had under David Moyes and Van Gaal: he knows what doesn't work. He has seen the holes in the road and he knows how to avoid them.
All those who have worked with him as a coach speak highly of him. And some of those close to him says he has the cold detachment that is a prerequisite for managerial success.He also knows how to reinvigorate Old Trafford. He spent 20 years as a winger in all the great Ferguson sides. He knows how to create the flowing, attacking football that generations of United fans have been raised on. He knows not to betray that legacy, as Van Gaal has done.
+10
United should think about roles for Gary and Phil Neville, whose talents currently employed at Valencia
Oxford United boss Michael Appleton, another United alumnus, should be given a senior coaching role
This is a seminal moment for United. A crossroads moment. They can take the lazy option with Mourinho and keep going down the road that has led them away from the summit. Or they can take the bold option with Giggs, the option that talks more of romance than commercialism, and go back to their roots. The 58th anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster on Saturday was a day to remember that United are a club built on legends.They are built on the memory of Duncan Edwards standing at the head of his team with his chest puffed out. They are built on George Best slaloming past the Benfica goalkeeper at Wembley to help United win the European Cup in 1968. They are built on the Class of '92 and Roy Keane in Turin and the 'football, bloody hell' mayhem of the Nou Camp in 1999.
Mourinho won't bring that back. He can't. It's not in his DNA. He goes into a club and stays for three years. When he has gone, the only legacy he leaves is scorched earth. If United want to become even more like every other team in England, they'll go for him.
If they want to be special again, if they want to have something that none of the rest can have, if they want true glory, then they'll go for Giggs.
Oliver Holt talking utter bollocks once again which is no surprise. Revive fans passion, what drugs is he on?
It's so bad. Giggs, the Neville brothers and this Appleton guy at Oxford
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