There are a lot of people who love Bolsonaro. They are very passionate. It doesnt seem to be just an anti-pt thing.
All the polls show that Lula would have walked the election if he wasn't in jail, so it's more about people than parties.
There are a lot of people who love Bolsonaro. They are very passionate. It doesnt seem to be just an anti-pt thing.
Lula is a special case because everybody knows that he can control the crazy part of PT. Also if he was president he would manage to calm down the situation and stop the divisions. But its impossible to know if Lula would be elected because Bolsonaro was losing to everybody in the opinion polls projecting the second ballot. He started to grow after being stabbed.All the polls show that Lula would have walked the election if he wasn't in jail, so it's more about people than parties.
I have to understand these fascists loving Israel, i do really have to.Paying back favours keep friendship alive.
Also, the fecker now wants to move the Brazil embassy from Tel Aviv to fecking Jerusalem.
I have to understand these fascists loving Israel, i do really have to.
No civil war when the military and most of the civilians voted for him, what gave him the victory wasn’t the corruption on the left but the extreme violence on the country with almost 64k people murdered last year.can see Brazil devolving into Civil war.
This guy wont last long.
He will come to a bad end soon enough.
I have to understand these fascists loving Israel, i do really have to.
All the brazilians I know here in New Jersey are happy with his victory.In other words, people who don't have to live in Brazil, and certainly not in poverty in Brazil.
So any party thats not from the left is called far-right now? If the Republicans are a far-right party then the democrats a comunism party?You forgot Italy as one of the very prominent ones. But the big battle in the next few years will be to keep France away from Le Pen's grasp. If France ever turns, we're fecked. It would break the Franco-German alliance driving Europe and from then on we're in uncharted waters. Although I have my doubts that Europe can keep going as is anyway.
The support to Israel come from evangelical, not from fascists. Evangelicals are 28% of the country but at the current grow rate they will be majority in two decades. Even the leftist candidate Haddad had to go to churches pretending be Christian. Great parts of Brazil are like a poor man's Alabama now.I have to understand these fascists loving Israel, i do really have to.
I have to understand these fascists loving Israel, i do really have to.
Good call. Yet Israel should protest against these right-wing extremists.Israel is the kind of state they wish to emulate, an ethnicity on top, everyone else subdued
Weren't some zionist nationalists linked to Nazi to try to kick the British out of Palestine? It might explain this link between fascists and Israel.Many of them still are quite anti-Semitic but also admire aspects of the current Israeli state and the way they operate. Look at how the Trump admin is pro-Israel but had Bannon as a key figure initially. Or how you've Netanyahu cosying up to Orban currently in spite of Orban being incredibly anti-Soros.
No, that's utter nonsense.Weren't some zionist nationalists linked to Nazi to try to kick the British out of Palestine? It might explain this link between fascists and Israel.
So any party thats not from the left is called far-right now? If the Republicans are a far-right party then the democrats a comunism party?
No, that's utter nonsense.
There was significant sympathy with Nazi Germany in the Arab world for their anti-British and anti-Jewish policies, and partly also their fascist ideas of state and society, although the exact proportions are the subject of much scholarly and political dispute, as to be expected. The best known Middle Eastern Nazi collaborator of that time was Palestinian Arab leader Amin al-Husseini. If you want to know about the state of research, @2cents is your man. I guess there'll be an older post or two from him on that subject.
I sensed that too. But since he only actually wrote about a anti-British = pro-axis attitude, I guess he mainly confused a popular Arab stance for a Zionist one, so I added the second paragraph. It turned out to be a bit longer (and referring to your posting history) to avoid a blanket statement on this, for several reasons.I think he's referring to the idea pushed by people like Ken Livingstone that because there was a certain level of cooperation in the 30s between Nazis who wanted to rid their country of Jews and Zionists who wanted to save Jewish lives that this means there was a Nazi-Zionist 'alliance', or as Livingstone put it "Hitler was a Zionist before he went mad."
I know about this, but read that both the Irgun and Nazi Germany had a common enemy: the U.K.No, that's utter nonsense.
There was significant sympathy with Nazi Germany in the Arab world for their anti-British and anti-Jewish policies, and partly also their fascist ideas of state and society, although the exact proportions are the subject of much scholarly and political dispute, as to be expected. The best known Middle Eastern Nazi collaborator of that time was Palestinian Arab leader Amin al-Husseini. If you want to know about the state of research, @2cents is your man. I guess there'll be an older post or two from him on that subject.
I know about this, but read that both the Irgun and Nazi Germany had a common enemy: the U.K.
Didn't mean to sound offensive though. Just wanted to know this part of the history.
Fair enough. The whole story is not clear so it was the reason i was asking.Th Irgun generally supported the British throughout the war, until the final years. They turned against the British in Palestine around 1944. The Nazis were not involved. The Revisionist Zionism of the Irgun was certainly influenced to a degree by interwar European fascism - Italian, not German - but in any case they were a minority faction at that time.
Good call. Yet Israel should protest against these right-wing extremists.
I know about this, but read that both the Irgun and Nazi Germany had a common enemy: the U.K.
Didn't mean to sound offensive though. Just wanted to know this part of the history.
Pretty much this. You can even hear it in Trump rhetoric around immigrates throwing stones etc.Israel is the kind of state they wish to emulate, an ethnicity on top, everyone else subdued
Such a cunning masterplan.Chaos and division elsewhere in the world results in those nations Jewish people moving to Israel
No, that's utter nonsense.
There was significant sympathy with Nazi Germany in the Arab world for their anti-British and anti-Jewish policies, and partly also their fascist ideas of state and society, although the exact proportions are the subject of much scholarly and political dispute, as to be expected. The best known Middle Eastern Nazi collaborator of that time was Palestinian Arab leader Amin al-Husseini. If you want to know about the state of research, @2cents is your man. I guess there'll be an older post or two from him on that subject.
I'd say it's fairly common knowledge, although I have deliberately put in the caution about the disputes around it in that post. I'll write something in the appropriate thread tonight.I am interested to see you expand on this, as you seem to take some degree of offence whenever certain criticisms of Zionism are put forward, rightly or wrongly, but have put forward nebulous claim that 'significant' numbers of Arabs followed this ideology or that it was a 'popular' Arab stance to support Nazism/ fascism, without any real information as to what kind of percentages you personally are referring to.
Calling the only party in Brazil a far right party in a country that only the left won since the military stepped down when is not a far right party, the leader is a populist like Trump and so far any party thats not socialist or social democratic is called far right on this forum.Well, that made no sense. Where or when did I call the Republicans as far right?
Barros are you pretending to be this stupid ?Calling the only party in Brazil a far right party in a country that only the left won since the military stepped down when is not a far right party, the leader is a populist like Trump and so far any party thats not socialist or social democratic is called far right on this forum.
Excerpts of conversations between prosecutors on the Telegram cellphone app appear to show Deltan Dallagnol, the lead prosecutor in the Car Wash investigation, expressing doubts over the strength of the case against Lula in September 2016, four days before filing the indictment.
Other messages appeared to show that during the election campaign, prosecutors schemed against a decision by a supreme court judge to allow Brazil’s Folha de S Paulo newspaper to interview Lula in jail because it could help his Workers’ party’s electoral chances.
In a statement on Sunday night, Moro said the disclosures “did not show any abnormality” and that they “ignored the giant corruption scheme revealed by Operation Car Wash”.
The minister also complained about the “criminal invasion” of prosecutors’ phones.
Over the course of more than two years, Moro suggested to the prosecutor that his team change the sequence of who they would investigate; insisted on less downtime between raids; gave strategic advice and informal tips; provided the prosecutors with advance knowledge of his decisions; offered constructive criticism of prosecutorial filings; and even scolded Dallagnol as if the prosecutor worked for the judge. Such conduct is unethical for a judge, who is responsible for maintaining neutrality to guarantee a fair trial, and it violates the Judiciary’s Code of Ethics for Brazil.
In one illustrative chat, Moro, referring to new rounds of search warrants and interrogations, suggested to Dallagnol that it might be preferable to “reverse the order of the two planned [phases].”
Numerous other instances in this archive reveal Moro — then a judge, and now Bolsonaro’s justice minister — actively collaborating with the prosecutors to strengthen their case. After a month of silence from the Car Wash task force, Moro asked: “Hasn’t it been a long time without an operation?” In another instance, Moro said, “You cannot make that kind of mistake now” — a reference to what he considered to be an error by the Federal Police. “But think hard whether that’s a good idea… the facts would have to be serious,” he counseled after Dallagnol told him of a motion he planned to file. “What do you think of these crazy statements from the PT national board? Should we officially rebut?” he asked, using the plural — “we” — in response to criticisms of the Car Wash investigation by Lula’s Workers’ Party, showing that he viewed himself and the Car Wash prosecutors as united in the same cause.
Another example of Moro crossing the line separating prosecutor and judge is in a conversation with Dallagnol on December 7, 2015, when he informally passed on a tip about Lula’s case to the prosecutors. “So. The following. Source informed me that the contact person is annoyed at having been asked to issue draft property transfer deeds for one of the ex-president’s children. Apparently the person would be willing to provide the information. I’m therefore passing it along. The source is serious,” wrote Moro.
“Thank you!! We’ll make contact,” Dallagnol promptly replied. Moro added, “And it would be dozens of properties.” Dallagnol later advised Moro that he called the source, but she would not talk: “I’m thinking of drafting a subpoena, based on apocryphal news,” the prosecutor said. While it is not entirely clear what this means, it appears that Dallagnol was floating the idea of inventing an anonymous complaint that could be used to compel the source to testify. Moro, rather than chastise the prosecutor or remain silent, appears to endorse the proposal: “Better to formalize then,” the judge replied.
Moro has publicly and vehemently denied on several occasions that he ever worked in partnership with the team of prosecutors. In a March 2016 speech, Moro denied these suspicions explicitly:
Let’s make something very clear. You hear a lot about Judge Moro’s investigative strategy. […] I do not have any investigative strategy at all. The people who investigate or who decide what to do and such is the Public Prosecutor and the [Federal] Police. The judge is reactive. We say that a judge should normally cultivate these passive virtues. And I even get irritated at times, I see somewhat unfounded criticism of my work, saying that I am a judge-investigator.
In his 2017 book, “The Fight Against Corruption,” Dallagnol wrote that Moro “always evaluated the Public Prosecutor’s requests in an impartial and technical manner.” Last year, in response to a complaint from Lula’s lawyers, Brazil’s prosecutor general — the presidentially-appointed chief prosecutor who runs the Car Wash investigation — wrote that Moro “remained impartial during the entire process” of Lula’s conviction.
Still a bit recent to gauge whether these will be significant or not, but let's hope they flop. But you're right, they manage to rope so many people into a siege mentality. I really don't have an answer as to why its possible.Outrage as Jair Bolsonaro appears to endorse Brazil anti-democracy protests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-anti-democracy-protests
Amazing how good the right-wing is at this, worldwide. Honestly, the sports commentator cliche applies here, they want it more, they fight like there is something at stake.
The fact all the left does these days is push for a very mild social democracy, really does prove this point.Outrage as Jair Bolsonaro appears to endorse Brazil anti-democracy protests
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/26/jair-bolsonaro-brazil-anti-democracy-protests
Amazing how good the right-wing is at this, worldwide. Honestly, the sports commentator cliche applies here, they want it more, they fight like there is something at stake.