yes but Make Britain Great Again and 350m a week for the NHS and
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As long as Corbyn's position remains to Brexit, they won't want to call one because they believe he might win it.
If he shifted his stance to remain (or at least to a second referendum with the option to remain), then they might consider it because the GE would then be fought on that point: Tories the party of Brexit, Labour the party of remain.
that would just lead to another hung parliament since the country voted largely along those lines in 2017 anyway, if anything labour might take a couple of LD seats and the tories are going to lose some Scottish seats regardless what happens so they'd go from being able to have a coalition with the DUP to being completely unable to pass any laws
It's just an utter clusterfeck. I can't say I trust either side to deliver what the country needs, and it has become so clear that the people in power are even more self serving than I ever believed. We have no real opposition, the current government is in turmoil, there's no answers and resolution. I really think Cameron has got away with this scott free. They thought that it would be so easy to win the referendum they never bothered to put an argument together and look at the result.
They definitely didn't. Despite Labour MPs being something like 95% remainers, the leader isn't and just offered a soft Brexit. I voted tory purely as a vote for the lesser evil, in my view.
If Labour promised a 2nd referendum with the option of remain, they would absolutely clean up, it would be a guaranteed majority in a general election.
leave constituencies went tory remain labour, if the gap widens all that will happen is safe seats become safer because that's already where leavers and remainers live and both parties are already at the 40% mark which has for decades been a winning number, there's not going to any serious movement if the vote is on bexit
He's been supporting a hard Brexit for the most part, albeit Labour's policy on this has been confused and incoherent from beginning to end.
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Out of interest how did you come to this conclusion ? Its a genuine question.
This is what the prime minister’s spokesman said about the cabinet meeting.
[May] said we have made progress on a huge number of issues in the negotiations but there remain sticking points in two key areas. The PM said it is not possible for her or any UK prime minister to sign up to an agreement that would lead to a customs border down the Irish Sea. She said we also need to ensure that we do not have a situation where the UK can be kept indefinitely in the backstop against our will ...
The cabinet strongly supported the prime minister over the importance of maintaining the integrity of the union. The cabinet also agreed that we must be able to ensure that we cannot be kept in the backstop arrangement indefinitely.
The PM said there will no doubt be challenging moments ahead. That is in the nature of negotiations. She said she is committed to securing a Brexit that delivers on the referendum result, safeguards jobs and security and which preserves our union.
The spokesman also gave reporters a direct quote from what May told her cabinet. She said:
I’m convinced that if we as a government stand together and stand firm we can achieve this.
The backstop has to be indefinite you wazzock, that's the whole point. The EU aren't going to accept anything else.
Chance of a deal : zero
[May] said we have made progress on a huge number of issues in the negotiations but there remain sticking points in two key areas. The PM said it is not possible for her or any UK prime minister to sign up to an agreement that would lead to a customs border down the Irish Sea. She said we also need to ensure that we do not have a situation where the UK can be kept indefinitely in the backstop against our will ...
The cabinet strongly supported the prime minister over the importance of maintaining the integrity of the union. The cabinet also agreed that we must be able to ensure that we cannot be kept in the backstop arrangement indefinitely.
The PM said there will no doubt be challenging moments ahead. That is in the nature of negotiations. She said she is committed to securing a Brexit that delivers on the referendum result, safeguards jobs and security and which preserves our union.
The spokesman also gave reporters a direct quote from what May told her cabinet. She said:
I’m convinced that if we as a government stand together and stand firm we can achieve this.
The backstop has to be indefinite you wazzock, that's the whole point. The EU aren't going to accept anything else.
Chance of a deal : zero
so 60% of Labour constituencies voted leave
https://fullfact.org/europe/did-maj...bour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/
and 63% of overall constituencies voted leave
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/7...ir-constituents-Article-50-WOULD-be-triggered
the only likley move if it was purely on brexit is the conservatives getting a whopping majority due to first past the post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40630242
the 2017 swing was brexit compliant, any further move brexitward will only entrench constituency majorities thanks the quirks of FPTP it won't cause major constituency realignments
obviously this is all conjecture anyway because we don't have the ward by ward brexit/2017 breakdowns which would be more informative for the next GE with 50 fewer parliamentary seats, but from local council patterns a 2 point inbuilt advantage for the tories is expected (their winning line being 2 points lower than labours) which could mean another 2005 election where one party wins a clear majority with the same share of the vote
Having ranked them pretty much level on Brexit, I mainly vote on the economy and I just couldn't believe a word of Corbyn's manifesto... desperate popularist policies of just throwing bags of cash at everything, fully paid for with a corp tax hike. Like a school child came up with it, who knew the economy was so simple eh?
Sorry for the questions but...........do you know how the economy works ?
Better than Corbyn apparently? Of course that's not true, I'm sure he has a very good understanding as required by his position and experience. His position also requiring him to have a good view on the average Joe's understanding of the ecomomy (very little), and therefore what nonsense he can get away with spouting for easy votes.
Anyway, make your point, what are you getting at?
That I get why people vote tory on such things as a hard brexit or if they own a small business. I was just surprised that someone voted for the Tories on the lesser evil idea(Considering all thing evil things the tories do - selling weapons to the Saudis, killing disable people with the benefits policy etc.)
Its one reason I've never heard before.
Shit happens, and it sticks to whoever is in charge. At the moment that's the tories, when too much of it builds up, that will flip to Labour and it'll stick to them instead.
Or you under the impression Corbyn would somehow stop BAE from selling to the Saudi's?
Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, has been speaking to journalists in Brussels. He has issued a challenge to Theresa May. He said:
Unfortunately the report on the state of the negotiations that I got from Michel Barnier today, as well as yesterday’s debate in the House of Commons, gives me no grounds for optimism before tomorrow’s European council on Brexit.
As I see it, the only source of hope for a deal for now is the goodwill and determination on both sides.
However, for a breakthrough to take place, besides goodwill we need new facts.
Tomorrow I am going to ask Prime Minister May whether she has concrete proposals on how to break the impasse. Only such proposals can determine if a breakthrough is possible.
While working on a Brexit deal, we also need to make sure that we are prepared in case an agreement is not possible or in case it is rejected. Therefore tomorrow the leaders will discuss how to step up our preparations for a no deal scenario.
But, as I have already stressed, the fact that we are preparing for a no deal scenario must not under any circumstances lead us away from making every effort to reach the best agreement possible for all sides.
Unfortunately the report on the state of the negotiations that I got from Michel Barnier today, as well as yesterday’s debate in the House of Commons, gives me no grounds for optimism before tomorrow’s European council on Brexit.
As I see it, the only source of hope for a deal for now is the goodwill and determination on both sides.
However, for a breakthrough to take place, besides goodwill we need new facts.
Tomorrow I am going to ask Prime Minister May whether she has concrete proposals on how to break the impasse. Only such proposals can determine if a breakthrough is possible.
While working on a Brexit deal, we also need to make sure that we are prepared in case an agreement is not possible or in case it is rejected. Therefore tomorrow the leaders will discuss how to step up our preparations for a no deal scenario.
But, as I have already stressed, the fact that we are preparing for a no deal scenario must not under any circumstances lead us away from making every effort to reach the best agreement possible for all sides.
I don't know what your on here - shit happens because of government policy.
As for stopping BAE selling to the Saudi, the german suspended their sales and I can easily image the a UK governed by a left Labour party doing the same.
Corbyn already said similar -
Sounds like they’re on the verge of giving up.
May's in the last chance saloon. There is only one solution. May won't accept the backstop because the only solution will still be the only solution in the future.
She has nowhere to go.
The EU just don't want a change of government before the UK leaves, but yes I think they've resigned themselves to no deal.
Make it look hard and nobody else will want to do it. There are too many contradicting statements and views for me in all of this. I suspect a large element of playing to the respective galleries going on.
It boils down to does the UK leave the EU and break the GFA or not. May is trying not to upset her party and losing her job.
The EU are not playing to the gallery and there's nothing contradictory of what the EU have said, they've repeated the same thing since day one and this is why the UK have never understood the EU. They are not listening.
Did you also vote for Cameroon in 2015?
A depressingly accurate take on Brexit by John Major.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/16/false-promises-brexit-john-major
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/16/false-promises-brexit-john-major
Seems like a no deal Brexit is starting to become a real possibility.
Fecking terrifying to me as a Brit living in France. Can't wait to qualify for citizenship here, but it'll be a tough year first.
I'm living in Canada and my girlfriend's Canadian so once we've lived together for a year she can sponsor me for permanent residency via common law.
I have no desire to go back and live in the UK. Maybe in 5-10 years when everything's settled down but not in the immediate future.
Davis imagine your chief negotiator not having a clue that it's illegal to broker individual deals with EU member states.That’s depressing. It’s truly the blind leading the blind
He might not have been ignorant; rather, he was knowingly lying.
What’s really fcuked up is this prick tweeted all that stuff before the referendum. More evidence of blatant lies fed to the electorate from the government, that might have influenced a referendum with consequences felt for generations. How can they not be held accountable? Why can’t the result be disputed?
Exactly.
Not to mention that ignorance of the law is never an acceptable excuse in the courts.
The nation voted and made a decision bla bla bla, you've heard it a thousand times now. This is what May says every time she's asked about another referendum or stopping Brexit.
Probably. The fact he fecked off once things started to become clear was quite telling. And he was caught out for knowingly lying as well when he basically made up reports that never existed.
Why should it ? Because people lied, I mean welcome to politics.
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Demonstrable blatant lies from the government which are so integral to the referendum outcome would be treading new ground, surely?
How about the 17.3M who voted against it?
