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SNP - If you are lucky enough to live where they are standing
It was fairly obvious that in the General election a vote for either Lib Dem or Green to make a point over Brexit would also have been a wasted vote in that it would have allowed the tories to take the majority they sought to force their version of Brexit through. The Euros are different and which party people are better voting for to hope to minimise the number of Tory and Brexit Party seats will depend on the region and will involve some fairly deep analysis of the D'Hondt proportional representation. To have a hope of a second referendum and overturning Brexit we must try to ensure that the greens, lib dems and chuk all manage to pick up at least one or hopefully two seats each whilst UKIP and Farage go some way to divide their own vote and reduce their representation with the tories suffering losses and labour probably staying pretty much where they were if they are still sitting on the fence.That makes sense I admit. I'm not sure how many of those who voted Labour at the time worked that out as well as you, but I am sure they will all say they did now!
Vote Liberal or Green for me.
I can understand tactical voting but personally I prefer to vote for who I think is most right on the biggest issues, which in this election will be the Liberals, I think.It was fairly obvious that in the General election a vote for either Lib Dem or Green to make a point over Brexit would also have been a wasted vote in that it would have allowed the tories to take the majority they sought to force their version of Brexit through. The Euros are different and which party people are better voting for to hope to minimise the number of Tory and Brexit Party seats will depend on the region and will involve some fairly deep analysis of the D'Hondt proportional representation. To have a hope of a second referendum and overturning Brexit we must try to ensure that the greens, lib dems and chuk all manage to pick up at least one or hopefully two seats each whilst UKIP and Farage go some way to divide their own vote and reduce their representation with the tories suffering losses and labour probably staying pretty much where they were if they are still sitting on the fence.
That said I've still not got a clue where to put my cross at the end of the month as the SE area looks like nothing much will change, I suspect all 4 UKIP seats will pass over to Brexit but hope they might divide the vote a bit and lose one of them and think the tories may lose one of their 3 seats. It's unlikely that the greens or lib dems would get enough to increase from 1 to 2 seats though and Chuk will most likely steal that chance and take the seat the tories lose. If labour would come out and side with a 2nd referendum then I might still consider them in the hope they could pick up a 4th seat removing one from UKIP/Brexit but otherwise it will either be Green or Libdem for me to ensure their seat and hope they can pick up a spare if the hard right do split their votes.
Yes.Vote in what? The EU elections?
It sends a message.Despite it being abundantly clear that Labour is a leave party, why are so many still trying to convince themselves that voting Labour somehow means that we are more likely to remain?
What message?It sends a message.
This, or at least Corbyn has always been a leaver, but a majority of the base and MPs arn't.Despite it being abundantly clear that Labour is a leave party, why are so many still trying to convince themselves that voting Labour somehow means that we are more likely to remain?
That's a very good point. Did anyone see the lib dem revival coming?pollsters are pinning the tale on the donkey trying to figure a representative sample for these elections.
It is. As for the liberals I didn't see anyone forecast their results, although I wondered why they weren't doing better in the polls and still do. I think a lot will depend on their new leader now, whilst there doesn't seem to be anyone that's promising one can but hope being in the spotlight will make a difference. Whoever it should be a bit more inspiring than Cable at any rate.That's a very good point. Did anyone see the lib dem revival coming?
How on Earth is it not?You'd think it'd be illegal to go into an election without a published manifesto...
Labour are I’d say. The Tory vote is split.Only Libs and Fatage doing well out of this brexit fiasco.
In absolute terms Labour are suffering. Zero sum game they’re benefitting.Labour are I’d say. The Tory vote is split.
I think labours big problem comes ironically enough if they force the ge they wantLabour are I’d say. The Tory vote is split.
Let's be honest I think we are getting to the point where if there was a vote in the whole EU I think they would say just get rid of the UK... They clearly don't believe in the EU project and they are more trouble than they are worthSo even if we remain, we are having most our MEPs represented by the Brexit Party.
How does that make anything better for the future relationship with the EU?
Whilst they are at it make it a legal obligation to fulfill manifesto commitments as well?You'd think it'd be illegal to go into an election without a published manifesto...
Yep. You could see how much he was trying to squirm out of that interview, but his supporters will probably come away from it very happy that the BBC are completely unfair to him.If Farage manages to fool the people twice, the people deserve all the shit that comes with it. He peddled the same lies, lack of clear thought and reasonless phobia during the referendum and bailed as soon as it happened. Now he is back doing the same shit and receiving votes according to polls.
I think people underestimate just how reluctant people Are to change their mind... People form opinions quickly and look for evidence to back it up or for people to blame...Yep. You could see how much he was trying to squirm out of that interview, but his supporters will probably come away from it very happy that the BBC are completely unfair to him.
Bear in mind the Tory and UKIP seat share at the last EU election was almost 60%. Optics wise it would royally suck if New UKIP won, but if that collective seat share can be brought under 50% then it can be seen as a win I think.So even if we remain, we are having most our MEPs represented by the Brexit Party.
How does that make anything better for the future relationship with the EU?
Pretty much, he's learned those tactics work. When he gets angry his supporters get angry. He also knows he can do and say pretty much anything with zero consequences.Could almost be trump there
It's true, but also fecked up as we'll all have to deal with the fallout...If Farage manages to fool the people twice, the people deserve all the shit that comes with it. He peddled the same lies, lack of clear thought and reasonless phobia during the referendum and bailed as soon as it happened. Now he is back doing the same shit and receiving votes according to polls.
Farage won that interview.They'll bring him on again next week.
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