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The Art of Bore
ProbablyBeen out and about so will there be a deal? Will it pass Parliament?
And probably not
ProbablyBeen out and about so will there be a deal? Will it pass Parliament?
Feck, the sterling is going up. I'm supposed to be spending £1000 on Amazon in the coming days. Do people think it's likely to go up much more?
Tv?Feck, the sterling is going up. I'm supposed to be spending £1000 on Amazon in the coming days. Do people think it's likely to go up much more?
Parts for a new PC.
Actually they might not... Because they might be stopped from presenting the bill to parliament at allI love that Moggs own amendment makes their own deal unlawful in the clearest of terms.
Obviously they'll make its repeal a part of any withdrawal act put forward but still it's magnificent in how much it shows them as two faced cnuts.
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Mr Maugham tweeted: “I intend to lodge an immediate petition for an injunction in the Court of Session preventing the Government from placing the Withdrawal Agreement before Parliament for approval.
“We expect that petition to be lodged tomorrow and to be heard on Friday.
Not get them cheaper than amazon?Parts for a new PC.
Honestly they had to go and strike a deal now of all times? Selfish bastards.
Can anyone explain it better?
It's Amazon and a few other sites. With the Sterling down the UK sites are the best value but if it goes up I'll probably have to look towards *shudder* France or Germany.Not get them cheaper than amazon?
Now we're suckin' diesel!Sterling sliding back down again.
Entire country being held to ransom by DUP who do not represent NI and seem intent on ruining any chance of NI not getting shafted by BREXIT. Wish Boris would just throw them under a bus and get over it.
If the DUP scupper this, they will definitely lose seats in a GE - which will follow pretty soon.Entire country being held to ransom by DUP who do not represent NI and seem intent on ruining any chance of NI not getting shafted by BREXIT. Wish Boris would just throw them under a bus and get over it.
The DUP named three issues with Boris Johnson's proposals - customs, consent issues and VAT. But what exactly are their worries?
Customs
The DUP is digging in over the prospect of a customs border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
The new back-up arrangements that would kick in under Mr Johnson's proposals would effectively see Northern Ireland following EU rules much more closely than the rest of the UK.
Consent
One of the key things that the PM has proposed is a way of giving Northern Ireland communities a say on whether or not to continue those arrangements.
But what the DUP has an issue with is that the mechanism that has been negotiated would give the suspended Stormont Assembly a final vote on whether to keep these rules going.
The DUP's concern is that might then mean that nationalists could keep Northern Ireland more tied to the EU than they would want, indefinitely.
VAT
Another major issue in the PM's proposals is whether or not EU VAT rates would apply in Northern Ireland - something the DUP says remains unclear, despite hours of talks with the government over the last few days.
If the DUP scupper this, they will definitely lose seats in a GE - which will follow pretty soon.
At the very least they will no longer be needed to prop up the government and whatever deal is decided will be imposed on them.
If they have any sense they should compromise or they will end up having no say whatsoever.
But then....
From the BBC live text:
So let me understand this correctly. A Party called the DEMOCRATIC Unionist Party is concerned that a Democratic vote might take place on whether or not to continue with this proposal in the future or not?
No i think the concern is they're concerned that the nationalists can keep the assembly suspended blocking any vote and as such keeping them stuck in the arrangements.
I think.....only had the one coffee
However, it is understood issues around securing the consent of Stormont to the new customs regime have become paramount.
The fear in the DUP is that under the simple majority vote required by the EU to ensure continued membership of the new customs arrangement, the unionist community would have no Veto.
Point taken but if BJ increases his majority on a People v Parliament ticket then the DUP will lose their say (and the backhanders) anyhow.In a normal society yes. But NI voters dont vote that way. I would say its very unlikely they would lose seats. They would sell it to their support that they and they alone stood up for Northern Ireland. If anything they would gain. Its crazy.
From the BBC live text:
So let me understand this correctly. A Party called the DEMOCRATIC Unionist Party is concerned that a Democratic vote might take place on whether or not to continue with this proposal in the future or not?
Point taken but if BJ increases his majority on a People v Parliament ticket then the DUP will lose their say (and the backhanders) anyhow.
They need to war-game that one before chucking spanners in the works of these negotiations.
That will be twice they have fecked things up and this notion that 10 people are holding a nation of 60 million to ransom will gain lots of ground and not play well.
Whether they give a toss about that is debatable.
However, I think they do like the money. Cummings knows that too, so they may come round yet.
Yeah. Its seems more and more likely that a GE is the only way out of this thing where hopefully at the end the DUP become mere bystanders.
If only we had an opposition that was in any way competent. But nooo it's a free run for the Conservatives despite this complete mess.
From the BBC live text:
So let me understand this correctly. A Party called the DEMOCRATIC Unionist Party is concerned that a Democratic vote might take place on whether or not to continue with this proposal in the future or not?
It's Amazon and a few other sites. With the Sterling down the UK sites are the best value but if it goes up I'll probably have to look towards *shudder* France or Germany.
You think the DUP believe in democracy ?
How comfortable will people in GB be if the DUP scupper a deal particularly in light of the fact that their decision making is being influenced by "consultations" they have been having in recent days with the UDA and UVF?
I'd suggest most people in GB are completely unaware of that because it hasn't been highlighted in the media.
How much influence do the UDA and UVF still have? Although they aren't active as paramilitaries do they still wield influence over the community in terms of voting at elections?How comfortable will people in GB be if the DUP scupper a deal particularly in light of the fact that their decision making is being influenced by "consultations" they have been having in recent days with the UDA and UVF?
Entire country being held to ransom by DUP who do not represent NI and seem intent on ruining any chance of NI not getting shafted by BREXIT. Wish Boris would just throw them under a bus and get over it.