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Yeah bloody GERRONWIVVIT!stop blaming other people, and get on with it. Start a campaign to rejoin. But stop harping on about the past.
Yeah bloody GERRONWIVVIT!stop blaming other people, and get on with it. Start a campaign to rejoin. But stop harping on about the past.
I think all the lies will be exposed gradually by the people themselves - we're only just over week into it and with Covid actually masking some of the problems that would have been there had traffic /trade/tourism been at pre-Covid levels.In Gerald's case there I think so. It's the people pulling the strings of Gerald and his ilk that will make money off the whole charade who are the liars here.
I would like to see more of these people coming forward now we're out to pull down the curtain but don't particularly expect the likes of the BBC to cover it.
oh Jesus I feel for you for sure! I’m in insurance so we are relatively unscathed but it has doubled our workflow and caused a 2.75% extra charge on processing all EEA premium so that’s greatSame. I run an export transport company and the work is relentless, it’s caused absolute chaos for us and every one of our customers like we knew it would.
A lot of companies will lose huge business because of this.
I still can’t believe it was voted for and actually happened, it’s benefited the UK in no way and caused massive disruption to trade and business relations between the UK and European companies.
All for what? It’s not like we make billions more as a country as the tariffs are zero rated on the whole. Just so we can tell foreign fisherman what to do? Or change our laws when we want? I don’t remember there being any issues getting fish & chips or the judicial system previously.
It’s an absolute joke, waste of time and money.
It will get 'ironed out' over time by businesses changing supply chains, relocating and systemic changes to the economy. If that counts as ironing out...I voted remain, I stand by my decision. Just to preface my question.
Obviously there are going to be issues in the shorter term, is it possible though that stuff will get ironed out and some of the problems will disappear?
Companies will get used to dealing with the extra bureaucracy, those who have experience of trading with companies outside the EU should have more knowledge of what to do.I voted remain, I stand by my decision. Just to preface my question.
Obviously there are going to be issues in the shorter term, is it possible though that stuff will get ironed out and some of the problems will disappear?
People with opinions like yours are exactly why this has been a terrible idea.I’m beginning to think this might not have been a good idea after all.
What are the problems that you have in mind? Some problems can't be ironed out outside of a deep custom agreement.I voted remain, I stand by my decision. Just to preface my question.
Obviously there are going to be issues in the shorter term, is it possible though that stuff will get ironed out and some of the problems will disappear?
Isn't that what they call an 'Epiphany'? ... thought it was due to happen on 6th Jan?... Delays already through Brexit!People believed what they wanted to hear, as reality gradually hits them they will resent it, even the ardent believers.
Yeah the 'deal' hasn't made it any easier to physically move goods back and forth between the UK and Europe. You still need exactly the same amount of paperwork and the customs entries / clearances as we would have under no-deal.oh Jesus I feel for you for sure! I’m in insurance so we are relatively unscathed but it has doubled our workflow and caused a 2.75% extra charge on processing all EEA premium so that’s great
what’s the most infuriating is the whole “project fear” bullshit, this wasn’t a surprise but so many people didn’t want to hear it
It will be a long drawn out epiphany.Isn't that what they call an 'Epiphany'? ... thought it was due to happen on 6th Jan?... Delays already through Brexit!
It will be a long drawn out epiphany.
Trade is physically MUCH more difficult from a logistics standpoint, and that won't change because there are standard requirements customs now have for us as a non-EU country.I voted remain, I stand by my decision. Just to preface my question.
Obviously there are going to be issues in the shorter term, is it possible though that stuff will get ironed out and some of the problems will disappear?
I work for a company which provides an IT system which manufacturers use. The amount of work for our development teams has been crazy, getting the documentation so that our customers can continue trading and changing the VAT rules in the system to make sure it applies the new rules correctly. It's all last minute as well with HMRC still providing guidance now.oh Jesus I feel for you for sure! I’m in insurance so we are relatively unscathed but it has doubled our workflow and caused a 2.75% extra charge on processing all EEA premium so that’s great
what’s the most infuriating is the whole “project fear” bullshit, this wasn’t a surprise but so many people didn’t want to hear it
Thanks for that. I'm not in any way knowledgeable about the customs process, I suspected it would result in haulage costs, but I suppose I was wondering about the paperwork and the delays, if those could be done more effectively over time to reduce some of the burden. Alas it would appear only minimal gains could be made in that area.Trade is physically MUCH more difficult from a logistics standpoint, and that won't change because there are standard requirements customs now have for us as a non-EU country.
It will settle into some form of normality but not without a lot of businesses closing and margins being squeezed more and more, people don't realise the sheer impact the cost of transportation has on a business/manufacturer. Not to mention businesses on the continent will find it much easier to purchase from other EU-based countries and avoid any customs formalities and the paperwork requirements that go along with it.
What do you think will happen to your local shop when it costs 30-40% more to bring goods into the UK? The prices will go up, smaller businesses will struggle compared to the 'big boys' who import in bulk for cheaper, it all has a direct knock on effect.
They will require customs brokers to handle the customs requirements or employ extra to handle the requirements, all extra costs with zero benefit.
The transport sector have warned about this from the start, Boris and co have ignored it and we will see the impact.
Yes I think with time people will know what is required and will be used to the paperwork and customs element however it still doesn't change the fact that the EU based businesses will find it easier to avoid these additional requirements by dealing with companies on the continent.Thanks for that. I'm not in any way knowledgeable about the customs process, I suspected it would result in haulage costs, but I suppose I was wondering about the paperwork and the delays, if those could be done more effectively over time to reduce some of the burden. Alas it would appear only minimal gains could be made in that area.
From an Irish person's perspective, this sums up my biggest grievances pretty wellSo John Lewis, Fortnum & Masons and Asos have all scrapped international deliveries, possibly only temporarily in the latter two's case, but either way, it's all indicative of overseas trade facing much higher hurdles to profitability.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...y-brexit-red-tape-as-m-and-s-warns-of-tariffsFrom an Irish person's perspective, this sums up my biggest grievances pretty well
Contact the German manufacturer direct and cut out the middle man - no tariffs, no duties, no hassle.Well now I'm really mad.
If you look at the areas that voted heavily for Brexit most of the shops, especially on the high streets, were closing down and disappearing back then, although we were still in the EU; some of them were/are still, becoming like ghost towns.What do you think will happen to your local shop when it costs 30-40% more to bring goods into the UK?
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This is true to some extent. Many of these people thought I might as well give Westminster a bloody nose, not like life can get any worse. Quite a sheltered view unfortunately.If you look at the areas that voted heavily for Brexit most of the shops, especially on the high streets, were closing down and disappearing back then, although we were still in the EU; some of them were/are still, becoming like ghost towns.
It is one of my pet theories, of why few of the remainer warnings were heeded in these areas.
I couldn't disagree more. We voted to leave the EU(not me personally) the EU didn't vote to leave us. They would have let us leave in name only if we had been willing to do so.considering how left wing the forum is, it won’t be many...
However, in all seriousness, the referendum was 4.5 years ago. It’s not the people who voted for it you channel your frustration at, it’s those who implemented that direction, and the parting of ways. On both sides of the channel.
You still have not understood a thing.@africanspur no problem. I appreciate there a lot of emotions and stress involves for a lot of people and a lot of businesses at the moment.
there was always going be be friction in terms of ability to trade, no matter What the agreement and when it happened. Clearly this and Covid at the same time doesn’t help. Hopefully it’s teething issues, that will be largely resolved in the next few months.
businesses have had close to zero time to implement any changes to processes, and that’s a fault of the timeframes and negotiation teams. Unfortunately these types of negotiations always seem to be at the last minute.
The frictions are a byproduct of not being in the EUCU, the point of the EUCU was to get rid of such frictions.@africanspur no problem. I appreciate there a lot of emotions and stress involves for a lot of people and a lot of businesses at the moment.
there was always going be be friction in terms of ability to trade, no matter What the agreement and when it happened. Clearly this and Covid at the same time doesn’t help. Hopefully it’s teething issues, that will be largely resolved in the next few months.
businesses have had close to zero time to implement any changes to processes, and that’s a fault of the timeframes and negotiation teams. Unfortunately these types of negotiations always seem to be at the last minute.
I did clarify this. I’m not blaming anyone, in fact I’m advocating that we move on from this, as there’s really no point in debating the rights and wrongs of a decision made 4.5 years ago. and I wasn’t talking about the decision to leave, but the negotiating teams - and I stand by the fact that this current mess is due both sides taking it to the wire. hopefully it’s just teething issues.I couldn't disagree more. We voted to leave the EU(not me personally) the EU didn't vote to leave us. They would have let us leave in name only if we had been willing to do so.
We wanted this. We pushed for this to be a hard line exit. Now that we see how fecked up it is we can't lay any of the blame on the EU who never wanted us to leave and was willing to do a soft Brexit right up until the final agreement for the mess we have made.
you have forms not completing paperwork, or the wrong paperwork etc. That will improve.The frictions are a byproduct of not being in the EUCU, the point of the EUCU was to get rid of such frictions.
Not if you live in these areas its what you see every time you visit the high street/town centre. Telling people their views are parochial may be correct but it doesn't endear them to your perspective, as Gordon Brown found out in Rochdale. Lot of mistakes were made by Remainers as well as lies and half truths from Brexiteers, which contributed to the vote going the way it did.This is true to some extent. Many of these people thought I might as well give Westminster a bloody nose, not like life can get any worse. Quite a sheltered view unfortunately.
I'm sure he's got me on ignore, maybe you as well , he's not listening.The frictions are a byproduct of not being in the EUCU, the point of the EUCU was to get rid of such frictions.
The Remain campaign didn't lie enough. Although if you asked me to name any Remain campaigners I would struggle.Not if you live in these areas its what you see every time you visit the high street/town centre. Telling people their views are parochial may be correct but it doesn't endear them to your perspective, as Gordon Brown found out in Rochdale. Lot of mistakes were made by Remainers as well as lies and half truths from Brexiteers, which contributed to the vote going the way it did.
I have said on a number of occasions on this medium that I feel that Theresa May's inability to get the WA vote through parliament should have been ceased upon as a life line to 'correct' views on Brexit, by withdrawing A50, giving breathing space and having a rethink; but both sides 'hunkered down' stuck to their stories and the rest is history.
The point is these frictions were not unexpected. They were guaranteed to come into play when we decided to leave the customs union. That isn't about poor implementation, it's a direct consequence of the withdrawal. Pointing that out isn't failing to move on, it's reiterating a point that was made from the beginning: this is going to happen, it's going to create problems, and the people that support Brexit are sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending it won't happen. It is not about blame, it is about accountability. People need to fully understand what they voted for and why these are the consequences. It would have been better if that happened earlier but it still needs to happen now. Choosing not to see the problems and just hoping they will disappear on their own creates more problems.you have forms not completing paperwork, or the wrong paperwork etc. That will improve.
I'm not following your point. The friction is based on the added bureaucracy, the added costs linked to that bureaucracy and the fact that certain goods will now be checked when they cross borders. Those frictions are going nowhere outside of a custom agreement and that applies to everyone not just the UK, the UK is now a third country.you have forms not completing paperwork, or the wrong paperwork etc. That will improve.
My point is that they voted this way partly thinking their lives can't possibly get any worse. Their lives can very demonstrably get worse. Not quite in the remainer fantasy where the UK crashes and burns. But little things. Their weekly food shop becomes more expensive. Their time in between jobs becomes longer. Their benefits no longer covers as much as it used to. Their one holiday they went on every year/ few years now becomes much more expensive/ impossible. More shops will close on their high street.Not if you live in these areas its what you see every time you visit the high street/town centre. Telling people their views are parochial may be correct but it doesn't endear them to your perspective, as Gordon Brown found out in Rochdale. Lot of mistakes were made by Remainers as well as lies and half truths from Brexiteers, which contributed to the vote going the way it did.
I have said on a number of occasions on this medium that I feel that Theresa May's inability to get the WA vote through parliament should have been ceased upon as a life line to 'correct' views on Brexit, by withdrawing A50, giving breathing space and having a rethink; but both sides 'hunkered down' stuck to their stories and the rest is history.