I think it was Margaret Thatcher who said: 'if they attack you personally, it means they have not a single argument left'
Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post
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Perhaps it would be better if you actually read the context instead of the words. I didn't say I was happy being insulted, I said it's used as a term of affection. Of course it's not going to be accepted by every immigrant in every workplace and if someone used those words for someone they didn't know then things change but using it for people or workmates that you're close to (in Cavanis case) then people who don't have a clue about other people's customs blow it up out of all proportion. Which is exactly what's happening in this case.
I hope the club appeal it purely out of principal. He didn't do what's he's charged with.
Accepting it but saying "we do so reluctantly"... "still think no offence".. "want to move on" sends out wrong message i.m.o.
Its impossible to know or implement. Some things do not directly translate, carry over or mean what you "think" they do. Always feels a bit weird English speakers making decisions on non English language, especially if its not accurately translated
The club would probably be nervous that it could make the situation worse and tarnish their reputation. They have to be careful... even with clear cut obvious common sense stuff such as this.
But theyre taking the knee based off of police brutality in the States..
The same for any professional jobs. Professions have regulatory bodies the have rules about upholding the professional standards.
Solicitors, Social Workers, Police, Teacher all have rules about having to uphold their professional standards even outside of work because they are always representing their profession.
Silly to go down the line of saying this is Orwellian, completely the wrong context to say something is Orwellian. Sad people use that as a throw away comment these days like 'pc gone mad'.
Maybe the FA should ban all non-English players from speaking their own language just in case people who don't speak their language think they've said something racist. See how that goes
Now you’re quoting Thatcher, makes sense.
That’s my cue to leave before I get myself banned.
Have a nice day
And that UK body says you can't speak Spanish on social media? How inclusive of the FA.
I think they should. The english have every right apparently to tell other countries their language is racist.
No he didnt
Yes.
Because English people know best and the English language is fine. It's other languages/countries that need to be educated and the all-white, non Spanish speaking FA are the people to do that.
(sarcasm before the replies).
We're already making it harder to bring in young foreign talent, lets start policing what they can and can't say in their native tongue, soon Brexit will be fulfilled!!!
What footballers posts on public platforms like Instagram comes under the terms of the contract he has with United and the rules of the governing body of the UK game. It's really not that complicated.
It almost sounds..... racist??
Someone calling you a 'f*cking foreigner' is an insult. I know exactly what you mean and understand that it's a term of affection. I regularly insult my friends and family affectionately and of course they don't take offence.
However, I'm not a PL footballer and I'm not subject to their regulations and I'm not posting publically on social media. That's why I'm saying these things aren't relevant.
Cavani can and will say whatever he likes in private. The FA has taken a zero-tolerance approach if you read the regulation I posted earlier, so I'm not sure anything can be done.
I don't disagree with that.
I disagree he broke any rules and the interpretation is wrong. As Spanish speaking posters have clearly explained
You're right it's not complicated... he didn't break any rule and it's easy to see. He shouldn't have even had to delete the post but he lives in a stupid stupid world.
what the guy says below. You cannot make a reference to someone's colour now, even though that wasn't what he did, since his friend is white, they have decided that they don't need accurate translations/interpretations of foreign words. I guess they are taking a stand as they don't like the word negrito since it "can" refer to someones colour so they are just stamping it out period.
ok
FA are twats, pass it on
I'm not saying it complicated I'm saying it's fecking ridiculous pandering and it makes me embarrassed to be English.
In terms of consistency, the FA had no choice.
The length of the ban will be the telling point to see if they have completely got the wrong end of the stick.
If you compare the scenario to Suarez or Casilla, you're an idiot. This is Bernardo Silva territory at worst.
The length of the ban will be the telling point to see if they have completely got the wrong end of the stick.
If you compare the scenario to Suarez or Casilla, you're an idiot. This is Bernardo Silva territory at worst.
How can you charge someone for being racist but not racist?
Charge them for ignorance
Would it not make sense to just play him in every game while we can, and if he picks up a niggle it's fine. He's banned anyway 
I would have been surprised if he wasn't charged.
The problem with the "he's speaking Spanish to a Spanish speaker" or "he's talking to a friend who obviously has no problem with it" defences are that he hasn't done either of those things. He's broadcasted something online for the world to see, on a platform where he knows he has a code of conduct to abide by. That isn't the same as just talking to someone.
It would be the equivalent of screaming something at your friend across a busy restaurant, where the restaraunt happen to have a firm policy in place determining what can and can't be said in their establishment. The fact that you have to modulate what you say in that situation shouldn't be a surprise.
The problem with the "he's speaking Spanish to a Spanish speaker" or "he's talking to a friend who obviously has no problem with it" defences are that he hasn't done either of those things. He's broadcasted something online for the world to see, on a platform where he knows he has a code of conduct to abide by. That isn't the same as just talking to someone.
It would be the equivalent of screaming something at your friend across a busy restaurant, where the restaraunt happen to have a firm policy in place determining what can and can't be said in their establishment. The fact that you have to modulate what you say in that situation shouldn't be a surprise.
If he isnt fit for tonigjt, accept it now and hell miss the cup game v Everton as well?Would it not make sense to just play him in every game while we can, and if he picks up a niggle it's fine. He's banned anyway
So its just Leeds he'd be missed for
The FA are incompetent.
He was on the Spanish speaking section of the app? You litetally have to be offended by another culture from logging on to their site ffs
The problem is at which point was Cavani, insulting, abusive or improper and when did he brought the game into disrepute?
To me it seems that from a procedural standpoint they didn't consider the context of their own rule and the context of the post, unless of course Cavani's friend was contacted and claimed that he was insulted and abused in that case the FA would be correct. Because it works both ways, you can't decide for someone what is insulting to them and what isn't which is seemingly what the FA did.
To me it seems that from a procedural standpoint they didn't consider the context of their own rule and the context of the post, unless of course Cavani's friend was contacted and claimed that he was insulted and abused in that case the FA would be correct. Because it works both ways, you can't decide for someone what is insulting to them and what isn't which is seemingly what the FA did.
yeah it does make sense to accept now looking at the fixtures. If we accept it by Jan 4th he misses Watford (FA Cup away), Liverpool and Fulham. Liverpool being the big one there, but with Leeds' shoddy set piece defending I'd have loved him to be there.
This is less than zero-tolerance. FA is actually performing cultural racism with this handling of other cultures' language and sayings.
I'm 100 % certain that you could offend somebody somewhere with the phrase "Indian summer" also - still that's something we hope and prey for every fall. At least where I live.
United shouldn't accept this - not because I care about the few games he'd be banned for, but for the sake of cultural freedom and not accept that we have different languages in the world. The law they refer to can actually get you banned if you call a teammate from your national team "my *african-country name* friend", because if the country is not considered "good enough" by FA; you are insulting the player by referring to his ethnic origin. This is just BS, and not the way to kick racism out of football. The zero-tolerance approach should be applied to racism cases and only that.
This is exactly what they've done - the cynical bastards.
This was weeks ago!
Second only to the time the City chairman on the FA board oversaw Rooney getting a ban for the FA Cup semi final against them for swearing into a camera!
What a completely unsurprising decision from the perpetually hypocritical, clumsy and tone-deaf FA. They're an organisation that fails to adequately deal with racism across football in the UK, is made up of old white males who regularly have to defend themselves from charges of being out of touch* and have a history of taking the wrong stance on nearly every issue.
Cavani has been in this country five minutes and he will now get banned for three matches for speaking his language to a friend. Well done FA on implementing their new anti-racist policy incorrectly at the first try!
*racist
Cavani has been in this country five minutes and he will now get banned for three matches for speaking his language to a friend. Well done FA on implementing their new anti-racist policy incorrectly at the first try!
*racist
Yes. I did. I'm not English and I think it is racist. The fact that they use it in their speech as a term of endearment doesn't change that fact to me. Just shows that some nations are stuck in the past.
It is a difficult one.
I suppose you have to live by the rules of the country.
Take a slightly flippant example - If an American came over and had their gun holstered to themselves out in town - we wouldn't let them off as it's alright in America.
The charge is no surprise at all, which anyone can see was coming. This will be drawn out and we probably won’t see a decision until mid to late January. He will get the minimum 3 match ban, that’s a given.
I get that and they'd have to be very careful with comms... I'm sure they employ firms and pay a lot of money to do that. (Don't let Ed write it!!)
But the flip side is even if reluctant and caveated.. it'll still be swung by some as admittance.
Could do with some high profile Spanish speaking footballers speaking up and saying it's rubbish, leave our language alone.