Will be good fun if we live to see the day.
Yes, let's also start boycotting London, New York and a host of other major cities whose sizeable assets are also owned by Arabs.
High horses are my favourite animals.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Yes, let's also start boycotting London, New York and a host of other major cities whose sizeable assets are also owned by Arabs.
High horses are my favourite animals.
When are we boycotting ManQatar United?
The next step after countries must be a group of countries. Could the EU buy us? Its much richer than the oil states.
So what would their primary target be then?
Yemenis civilians if it’s the Saudis
And allowing Newcastle to flourish to their full potential, just to be nice.
Coming soon to Manchester United.
Glad I am winning you over.
How many of the people who are unhappy with the sale of the club to a state like SA do you think are happy with that same government buying up property and driving out normal people from the likes of London to leverage political capital?
Seems like the Venn diagram on that one would be more akin to pluto orbiting the sun than a circle.
You'd think at some point people would realise that doing stuff to 'own the libs' is usually a terrible idea.
Guess not...
Seller chases when the cnut legally stole the property (for peanuts) and stands to earn £4-5billion from it.
For me, it’s not even about the human rights or terrible things these states do. I’d love to sit here and say it was all about my moral compass but as others have said, these countries are already so entwined with modern life, that it would be hypocritical to walk away from my football club while still living under all the other strings attached to such regimes.
It’s about sport and competition to me. My biggest issue with City and PSG has always been the fact that being owned by a state means they aren’t held to the same rules as everybody else. Owning a country, and an economy, and financial services and regulators, and then running a football club through that same infrastructure demeans sport - it makes a mockery out of the idea of competition.
City have never won a trophy that hurt me. 2012 hurt that we lost out, but I didn’t ever give a shit that they won, not the way it hurt when Liverpool won it, or when Arsenal won it back in the day. There is nothing they have ever won or could win that really means anything, because they’ve bought whatever success it is and I will always believe, broke the rules to buy it beyond even the farcical levels to which they have ever let the world see.
The second United are bought by a state with the ability to bypass financial restrictions I will immediately assume the same. Success and competition will lose all meaning for me.
I want to see United beating the best teams in the league and in Europe on our own accord. I am not so desperate to see us beat them that I’ll take joy and meaning from us cheating to do so.
The idea that it’s ok because that’s the way sport has gone and it’s the only way to compete is ridiculous to me. Tinpot clubs like City and PSG have sold out, so we should turn our back on what made sport great in some sense of desperation that we need to compete with their corruption?
Why?
The day it happens I’m done. I’ll support my league of Ireland side and maybe keep an eye on Southampton in the Prem - it won’t be the same but I lived there for a while growing up and I like the way they’ve always used their academy well.
It’s about sport and competition to me. My biggest issue with City and PSG has always been the fact that being owned by a state means they aren’t held to the same rules as everybody else. Owning a country, and an economy, and financial services and regulators, and then running a football club through that same infrastructure demeans sport - it makes a mockery out of the idea of competition.
City have never won a trophy that hurt me. 2012 hurt that we lost out, but I didn’t ever give a shit that they won, not the way it hurt when Liverpool won it, or when Arsenal won it back in the day. There is nothing they have ever won or could win that really means anything, because they’ve bought whatever success it is and I will always believe, broke the rules to buy it beyond even the farcical levels to which they have ever let the world see.
The second United are bought by a state with the ability to bypass financial restrictions I will immediately assume the same. Success and competition will lose all meaning for me.
I want to see United beating the best teams in the league and in Europe on our own accord. I am not so desperate to see us beat them that I’ll take joy and meaning from us cheating to do so.
The idea that it’s ok because that’s the way sport has gone and it’s the only way to compete is ridiculous to me. Tinpot clubs like City and PSG have sold out, so we should turn our back on what made sport great in some sense of desperation that we need to compete with their corruption?
Why?
The day it happens I’m done. I’ll support my league of Ireland side and maybe keep an eye on Southampton in the Prem - it won’t be the same but I lived there for a while growing up and I like the way they’ve always used their academy well.
Football has never been pure, that’s aromantic myth. Survival of the fittest being about power is also a myth. Join the dark side makes you sound like Kylo Ren, which is fine for a space western movie, but it’s not really a mature ethical guideline, is it? If people being killed and your team is used as a comercial for that is irrelevant to you, but your football team wins a trophy is relevant … well, I suspect that’s probably not what you mean. Hopefully.
There is always middle ground.
Making Manchester United the best, both on and off the field.
So if we accept that we’re going to end up owned by a oil-backed state (urghh) who will use us for sport washing reasons…who are the best ones we can end up with? And who don’t we want? Who has the money and ambition to compete with the City, PSG, Newcastle owners?
If we’re going to join the darkside, and it looks like we are, then we might as well get something from it and at least be good on the pitch I guess.
The whole thing is very depressing though.
If we’re going to join the darkside, and it looks like we are, then we might as well get something from it and at least be good on the pitch I guess.
The whole thing is very depressing though.
Just read the thread title.
BRING ME MBAPPE
BRING ME MBAPPE
Is there some truth to the title or mostly speculations?
It seems like every option is depressing one way or another, and it’s depressing with the Glazers too..
It seems like every option is depressing one way or another, and it’s depressing with the Glazers too..
They still have Kings and Queens on the throne who were calling the shots not so long ago and and they still sing “long live the King/Queen” if that helps.
I honestly don’t know how to process any of the potential owners in todays world.
Isolating Middle Eastern states for their transgressions ignores the crimes committed by our own governments and billionaires et al.
The ultimate ownership model to me would be something like Germany’s 50+1 rule but would have to implemented by the FA in order to make it happen. Even then you get some big corporations like Volkswagen owning teams and they are hardly squeaky clean.
Ultimately, I’m left wondering if I even care who owns the club as long as the club itself behaves in a decent way as they did during the pandemic. If the owners themselves have other activities going on or involvement in their nations politics maybe I can separate that in my mind.
Given the abject failure of Qatar 2022 from a Sportswashing perspective I’m not even sure what their goal even is other than the cache of owning Man Utd. It’s like seeing their collection of the Bugatti Veyrons; at some point it’s just stuff. Whatever the Qatari or Saudi or Dubai govt got upto their ownership of Man Utd would have very little to do with it. It certainly wouldn’t help them gloss over geopolitical issues.
Isolating Middle Eastern states for their transgressions ignores the crimes committed by our own governments and billionaires et al.
The ultimate ownership model to me would be something like Germany’s 50+1 rule but would have to implemented by the FA in order to make it happen. Even then you get some big corporations like Volkswagen owning teams and they are hardly squeaky clean.
Ultimately, I’m left wondering if I even care who owns the club as long as the club itself behaves in a decent way as they did during the pandemic. If the owners themselves have other activities going on or involvement in their nations politics maybe I can separate that in my mind.
Given the abject failure of Qatar 2022 from a Sportswashing perspective I’m not even sure what their goal even is other than the cache of owning Man Utd. It’s like seeing their collection of the Bugatti Veyrons; at some point it’s just stuff. Whatever the Qatari or Saudi or Dubai govt got upto their ownership of Man Utd would have very little to do with it. It certainly wouldn’t help them gloss over geopolitical issues.
True. So they won’t walk away whilst being partners with them. I’m sure they won’t walk away if they have a minority stake in the club but they would if they become owners now. If you want to be right morally atleast maintain the consistency because your moral compass is not right in the first place.
Oh gosh, this is horrible. We already have a name ready rhyming with the new owners if this happens. Now I don’t want this to happen and yes, this is where I draw the line.
I think most here are overthinking things. Firstly we have ZERO control over what's going on. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
Secondly, even if it was bought by some M.E Oil money, so what? If it's some financial consortium we are doomed because they will extract as much out of United as the gLazers did -- and certainly expect something from their massive investments.
There are no absolutes in life. Binary thinking or choices are for the uneducated. Which government or nation has not to have had blood on its hands at some stage? The US, and UK governments say 200 years ago were benefitting from the slave trade. (Jim Crow laws were in effect until like 60years ago.)
But because it's been 200 years, they are fine today? What is the statute of limitation for such immoral immorality? (African-Americans are still suffering from its aftereffects hundreds of years later.)
Then you have genocide of Native Americans....
Most billionaires if not, all have had some dodgy past or dealings in their past. I suspect Jesus or Buddha would have some salacious history if books were written about them then.
So ultimately we are only dealing with shades of grey -- on something that we have ZERO influence on. Why get so apoplectic about something that you have no control about? Man United isn't some social media platform where you can run a poll to sack the manager or rid a player.
Just still back and relax ... and yell at the players whether at OT or at your TV or the clouds. Thats about as much control you have over the club. Pointless pretending otherwise.
Secondly, even if it was bought by some M.E Oil money, so what? If it's some financial consortium we are doomed because they will extract as much out of United as the gLazers did -- and certainly expect something from their massive investments.
There are no absolutes in life. Binary thinking or choices are for the uneducated. Which government or nation has not to have had blood on its hands at some stage? The US, and UK governments say 200 years ago were benefitting from the slave trade. (Jim Crow laws were in effect until like 60years ago.)
But because it's been 200 years, they are fine today? What is the statute of limitation for such immoral immorality? (African-Americans are still suffering from its aftereffects hundreds of years later.)
Then you have genocide of Native Americans....
Most billionaires if not, all have had some dodgy past or dealings in their past. I suspect Jesus or Buddha would have some salacious history if books were written about them then.
So ultimately we are only dealing with shades of grey -- on something that we have ZERO influence on. Why get so apoplectic about something that you have no control about? Man United isn't some social media platform where you can run a poll to sack the manager or rid a player.
Just still back and relax ... and yell at the players whether at OT or at your TV or the clouds. Thats about as much control you have over the club. Pointless pretending otherwise.
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I feel it's important to be self reliant, financially. External funding from a sugar daddy owner just devalues everything. And we don't even need it. As long as we are well run the business is profitable enough on its own two feet.
Pretty much how I see it. I hate that things have to be the way they are but it's never going to change. People rant about the slave trade but that's just the last example of it. Keep going back and I doubt there is an ethnicity in this world that is fully exempt from any history of slavery. Do people think the pharoahs built the pyramids? All we can do is try as a nation to be good and try to be a shining example of what democracy can do for humanity instead of acting like our shit doesn't stink but everyone else's does and we're going to export our opinions down your throat like it's the modern day crusades.
Because that's what the crusades were. Europe thinking they knew better how to value the basic things in life.
Serving as an example is how you get people to emulate your ways. So I learned many years ago when my business brought me around the world to many different countries to treat people with respect when I am visiting. This means, by the way, that when oil money buys western teams they should do the same. Which at least should make it less painful for those who are more sensitive to these things. But at some point if that's not enough for a fan then vote with your feet.
The ideal one for me is probably a consortium led by british/european people, with owners who are both astute enough to make money, but also have the knowhow and understanding of the workings of a modern day football club. An american owner/consortium can be non-understanding, too greedy and careless as we saw with Glazers. But no one like my prefered european/british consortium can probably compete on the price if oil-countries comes into the picture. Id rather want an american consortium too.
It also opens you up to completely crashing and burning once the oil runs dry or they decide they don't fancy football anymore. Didn't something like that happen to Malaga?
It's great that vast sums of oil money are being recycled into the sport we love.
Just saying, Dubai and Qatar based investors don't necessarily mean they are governments or government backed. Could well be private players with no connection to the government.
My biggest fear with oil money is that they will want to bring in another manager and derail what looks like the first good hire we've had in years. I'd really like to see ten Hag get a few years to build his program. It would suck if they swoop in with ass loads of money and make bad manager decisions to further extend our misery. Money alone after all is no guarantor of top production.
But my hope is that if things go that route he will have a strong finish to back up keeping him at the helm and supporting him. But it's a worry for me for sure.
But my hope is that if things go that route he will have a strong finish to back up keeping him at the helm and supporting him. But it's a worry for me for sure.
I'm not sure it's possible to completely differentiate between the two in these circumstances
Guarantee there's not a single person in this thread who will stop watching United if we're funded by oil money. Just like we all still watched the world cup despite pretending to be morally outraged beforehand. The truth is we're all pathetic sheep unwilling to miss out on the things we enjoy in life just because the people involved are scum bags
We need someone to clear us from our debt though which is, on top of the price the rats are asking for, a huge sum.
Don't think you can generalise in such a way. I know I'm in that sheep group for sure, but I'm also convinced there are people who are serious about this, just as there are a lot of people who didn't watch the world cup, and TV ratings verify that.
That's my concern too. Name brand things including managers. Patience isn't is one of their strongest attributes either.
Arena of Dreams?
The monarch last “called the shots” in Britain in the early 17th century. I don’t regard that as “not so long ago”.
Can you point me to a single person who said they’d be ok with the US or UK governments buying? So where’s the relevance?
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