Is this case that the Glaziers have cleverly manipulated Sir Jim along. They knew he couldn't bid the 6B but decided to accept the half +1 % to keep him in running as a lead pony to flush out the best bid from the Qatari. My fear is though if the Qatari do fire in the 6B and they don't accept that will be it and they will walk by which time Sir Jim might have already withdrew.
Club Sale | It’s done!
- Thread starter JB08
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
- Status
What do expect of SJ? He is not the Qatari state and he cant make any reforms, he is just a wealthy banker.
I personally do not believe the Qatari state is backing him and I base my opinion on nothing but my observation. If they are backing him it is far from the PSG model backing. The amount of coverage PSG got while in process of takeover was enormous, it is almost uncomparable to Man utd story, it barley gets mentions in their media. It gets mentiined, but miles less compared to the PSG takeover (at that time they made it clear in the media that the state is taking over). This is just my opinion based on my observation.
Means nothing, indykaila has 381k and he's a certified BS merchant
This is quite the conspiracy theory.
The only source of wealth in Qatar capable of funding the United purchase is the sovereign wealth funds. He's a member of the royal family which controls said fund. It's the Qatari state.
The argument of state or not has gone round in circles so many times, it's pointless revisiting as it can't be proven either way. He is a senior member of the ruling family however. If it's not a state bid then everyone's assumptions about pots of money that are 'best for the club' are completely incorrect.
If he's not state backed it seems extremely unlikely he has the money to not only buy 100% of Manchester United but then further invest vast sums in to it. We would be nuts to want anything to do with him.
He very obviously is state backed though.
Has Sir Jim Glazers bid been accepted yet?
We don't think so. Hopefully some time this week.
Hopefully INEOS goes tits up in the meantime
That would be pretty funny, to be fair.
Cheers for the rundown @Giggsyking , I may not agree with everything there but the different perspective is appreciated.
Think your missing the point. I'm 50.1 pro Qatari as they are so far the only game in town who look like they will clear the debt. So I take it from that I am not concerned about migrant workers ?. Firstly if the Glaziers were not to fecking greedy there might be a few more choices in town. Hey they might have even sat down a choose a suitable custodian to take the club onto the next level sold it and bowed out. Unfortunately for everyone this isn't how the world turns . I want to see the back of the Glaziers, I want to watch my team be competitive and leave the politics at the door for an hour and half. If that makes me a bad human being, well so be it. Same as western policies is forcing me to towards battery technology from lithium dug out in hell hole conditions in places like the DR Congo controlled by dubious governments. I have said all along we are ants fighting over which dog take us to town today, When the dust settles on ownership and actions sanctioned on what ever debt clearance/ renovations then I and everyone should sit back and have a conversation with themselves on whatever moral stance they have make a simple choice, continue to support the team or don't. The mudslinging own way other at this time really is breath you will need one day.
Never been so tempted to throw a fightOr I win, you go on ignore!
Whether it's Jim or Jassim, I hope we can all raise a glass to each other soon. We all want the best for the club and getting the Glazers out of power is worth celebrating regardless of the victor (Lindelof).
And lets hope it all concludes soon to avoid disrupting the transfer window.
Only 50 years ago? Just a heart beat.
Agreed. I wonder how much disruption it's causing our current squad too.
If it's the Qataris state themselves, would they be having this much trouble over 6 billions? That's chump change to them.
Why are the majority here so sure that it is game over for Qataris? To me it looks like the Glazer's mindgames. Leak to the media that Ratcliffe is in pole position now, thus force Jassim's camp to increase their bid and get it done.
Last edited by a moderator:
I am not pro Qatar, but I know Qatar and the region, Qatar in particular was really undeveloped until the previous Emir toppled his father in 1995, in the 70s & 80s, and up to the 90s, it was desert, except for small town called Doha!
It definitely is backed by the state, no one is Qatar is organically wealthy, what I mean is, no one is wealthy in Qatar without either being from the ruling family that controls the state's wealth, or being backed by the state (for e.g. doing lucrative business deals with the state), Qatar is too small and the only thing going for it is the Oil & Gas.
Then why are they having this much trouble over just 6 billions?
I know one thing, irrespective of whoever comes, this season they would want to make a mark in transfer market. As long we have done background work on our targets and selling process is done soon, we will hopefully have a good window.
P.S.: I am pro Qatar but wouldn't mid RC as long as he clears the debt and don't take money out of the club.
P.S.: I am pro Qatar but wouldn't mid RC as long as he clears the debt and don't take money out of the club.
Yeah I have the exact same concerns,as I said a couple of days ago there seems to be so much mystery around Jassim and his source of funds
Yeah no chance he could afford to buy us in a million years if the state wasn't backing him
I'm not bothered which of them it is now. Both have positives and negatives, but neither are the Glazers.
Just want some progress soon so we can get things moving this summer and bring in our key targets
Just want some progress soon so we can get things moving this summer and bring in our key targets
They are also shrewd business people, they wouldn't just throw billions from the get go, they will still negotiate the best deal for them, they might think it is not worth paying 6b
Like someone else said they need to be careful that the leeches don't do deal with INEOS
Yeah that is very true
That ineos are barely the shining beacon of morality themselves and they’re absolutely horrible to the environment?
If it’s Jim then the glazers are staying and get another payday from us down the line, so that’s not strictly true.
I don’t think it’s possible anymore to raise new bids.
Of course it is, this is a private sale by the Glazers, the rules of the auction are entirely set by them (the case with any private company sale), they can call off the process and decide to sell to someone who hasn’t even been in the process yet if they come in with a ridiculous offer.
I do not believe that it would be a problem for Jassim to submit a better bid if he wanted to. The Glazer's are trying to get as much money as they can get, and could not care less about deadlines. Moreover, I doubt there are any concrete deadlines.
I think a lot of us fans are feeling similar now. If Qatar has the cash I would welcome them but they’ve given me very little indication despite the promises they can fullfill it.
End of the day we want the club to be safe. Jim despite his short comings has the capital and its proven. The club will be safe and our debt is no longer an issue.
This is still a win considering the circumstances of the past 18 years. We’ve seen some owners take great football clubs, come in unknown and completely destroy the thing once their funding is taken away somehow.
We know with Jim that won’t happen.
The only thing that concerns me about Jim is that he comes in and uses no value in the market line. We have to be careful etc. I am not saying Qatar will be great owners as we do not know much about them.
I just want whoever comes in to put football first. Wouldn't that be nice. Can't wait to see the back of the glazers
Okay thanks for clarifying, I thought that was some strictly sorted process
You’re right, the LAST thing that Glazers want right now is to be offered more money.
Yeah this might rumble for several more weeks or months even
- Status