His sins don't even come close to Qatar. Jesus wept how many times does this need to be said.
When Jim let's thousands of people needlessly die in his employment get back to us.
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When Jim let's thousands of people needlessly die in his employment get back to us.
So Malaga 2.0? That's what you guys are cheerleading for?
My dad was at the game yesterday and he told me “we want Glazers out” chants were loud.
Does Jassim or 92 own Malaga? Please show the proof, shouldn’t be hard.
Great points.
The thing about Qatari’s celebrating an Qatar individual achievements as if it was their own is also very true and something most people here don’t understand.
Hope we hear a major development this week.
Doesn’t an individuals past give an indication of how things might be in the future?
If the glazers get £5b for United, and decide to buy West Ham for £x amount. Will West Ham fans think yeah forget how they ran United, we’re smaller more funds to make us become more competitive?
They aren't proven failures which is seen to already be better than Ratcliff. And they are clearing the entire debt of the club and booting out the Glazers immediately which gives them a huge head start to start a better future.
I'm not sure how this relates to my post?
Assuming we stay a top 4 club. People don’t realise how difficult things can get when you have too many chefs in the kitchen.
“Qatar have made their 11th bid, it is still below SJR’s and they are still waiting to hear back from Raine.”
Nailed on.
We wouldn't be anything like City though, when Abu Dhabi took over City they were absolute nobodies, other than the stadium they had nothing to their name, shit fans, shit players and feck all history whereas we have got it all, we don't need someone to come in pump billions into a project, we are ready to go.
If there is no development with Qatar in the next 2-3 days it will be INEOS
Yes, I've heard this narrative before. To me it sounds like you're just making up the rules the way it suits you. In reality, United will be tainted forever.
All I'm saying is that, if it's no longer a state bid, it suddenly loses much of its appeal. Its no longer a money cheat, for example. Malaga is the worst case scenario obviously, but whats the point if it isn't state wealth? How is it worth it.
I know who their owner is but my point was how can any club aspire to challenge for the PL after making leaps and bounds over several years like a Brighton or a Spurs if the competition becomes so unfair towards non-state-owned clubs in the future?
I hate how being anti-state ownership is interpreted as pro-Jim.
feck both these options.
feck both these options.
But there are only two options. Pick one.
They other option is Glazers not selling and continuing to destroy us.
Ineos would be terrible owners. Some of my ex colleagues who work for them in Grangemouth have described how SJR ruthlessly stripped pay some of the pay and conditions. Loyalty to long-term dedicated workers is now non-existent. Pay and employment/contract are often cut abruptly to make up for management errors. Ineos planning is one of the worst for a big employee.
Oh, I agree, of course. Just specifically on Brighton I don't think it's unreasonable when people are keen to point out that their growth is not a story most other teams who finish 16th in League One (I think that's the last season before he took over) can try and emulate.
I don't see how 9th is "pathetic" for Nice. Ratcliffe hasn't delivered on his promise if he really claimed that he will be challenging PSG, but if you look at the past 10 years for OGC Nice and their current wage bill, 9th is around where they should be sitting. Where the club finishes in the league is also not solely down to the owners. We won 5 League titles and 1 CL under Glazer ownership. We had 6th and 7th place finishes under them.
It's also a completely different type of investment compared to Manchester United. More money is involved, it's a 100 times more difficult to turn a profit from our club, which is why no smart businessman would go near it if it was about making money.
If you look at the Glazers, the only positive they've done in the last 10 years was sanction a lot of money in the summer when we missed out on top 4 the previous season. The penny pinching in the summer of 2018 and 2020 was also pathetic. They haven't invested a cent of their own money into the club, ever. They are also clueless about football and have no emotional attachment to United or the sport itself.
If 100% of the money we are spending is generated by the club how is tainted ?
If we had Qatar Airways or INEOS printed on our shirts and were paid silly money for doing it then I see your point but we don't need to go down to that level.
So you'd prefer the Glazers?
One really irritating thing for me would be sportswashing. Just look at how much Newcastle fans admire the Saudis now.
They likely wouldn't even be in the PL without Tony Bloom and co., but they are not someone you cannot compete against because of their financial superiority.
Basically the relationship of Ineos with its other 2 clubs considering the decisions they have taken, the personnel they have hired and the way their teams have performed. But magically, they will become true lovers of the game and get decisions right for a club of our stature.
It's like expecting a CEO who has fecked up 2 smaller firms in a particular industry to suddenly get stuff right for a behemoth of the same industry. The only place I have seen this happening is Wall Street and we know how that goes.
I speak as someone who as a kid watched Rotherham United outclass them in what is now League Two and we certainly could never compete in the long term with the kind of financial superiority that saw them leave clubs like us behind.
Master Zilliacus, perhaps
Ineos will be worse owners than the Glazers, nothing will change. Money will be borrowed and siphoned out of the club in much the same way the glazers do.
Brexit Jim has also proven to be a liar, plus his other teams have been shite and run poorly.
Brexit Jim has also proven to be a liar, plus his other teams have been shite and run poorly.
Qatar will be worse owners than the Glazers, nothing will change. Money will be borrowed and siphoned out of the club in much the same way the glazers do.
AI Jassim has also proven to be a liar, plus his other teams have been shite and run poorly.
AI Jassim has also proven to be a liar, plus his other teams have been shite and run poorly.
Just more incoherent rambling, as if there wasn't enough of that already in this thread.
Care to explain why Ineos would choose buying Manchester United as an opportunity to make money?
What other teams does Jassim own then?
Well no, what you're implying is because one Qatari individual didn't run a club well, that no Qatari individual could ever be capable of running a club well, regardless of wealth or competence, it would be the equivalent of saying Ratcliffe would be shit because Mike Ashley couldn't run a football club.
Whether jassim is a front for the state or a private individual, he's promised an entirely debt free club, huge investment on the pitch and the facilities. Using the malaga comparison is lazy and borderline xenophobic (I don't really throw that term around a lot, but implying because one man from one country did a bad job running a club, means it taints everyone from that country is pretty bizarre)
Exactly. Not to mention all the dithering transfer windows trying to save money (or just incompetence) but often paying just as much or more in the end. Fellaini, Maguire etc.
Now they’re dithering again to the detriment of the club. Scum.
Ratcliffe / INEOS a company with a £60b turnover took over a mid table team in the French league and couldn’t improve them?
9, 4, 11, 2, 9, 9, 15, 16, 6, 13 do you know what those numbers represent? PSG league finishes in the 10 seasons before they got taken over.
4, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1,1,1, 2, 1, 1, you can figure out what these numbers represent. But based on some of the comments by Ratcliffe fans I think I’ll have to state it. It’s PSG league finishes after they got taken over.
It’s remarkable the very people who will call PSG a failure for not winning the CL, will also defend Ratcliffe for not improving any of the teams he’s bought.
And saying United will be different. Is like saying a player who is crap in division 2 will be great in the premier league.
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Nice anecdote. Care the balance this with an employee experience form a Qatari slave?
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