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Qatar vs Saudi. How much could this auction fetch?
A key point from the article not addressed.
edit tweet deleted but you can read the MEN article here
"State ownership of Manchester United would set a dangerous precedent"
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-united-takeover-qatari-news-26261497?kop=
"United need owners who will sufficiently back Ten Hag and treat the club as a community asset. There has to be a promise to modernise Old Trafford and the Carrington training complex."
I'm not sure it's possible to buy United and do the necessary modernizations while maintaining his moral standards. A dangerous precedent was set allowing Roman, Abu Dhabi and now Saudi Arabia into the Premier League, you allowed pretty much infinite money lottery wins into the league upsetting over a century of building. It's only natural other clubs, like United have to do the same or get replaced.
People like Crafton and Luckhurst can put special requirements on United but how does it transpire in reality against infinite money and facilities. We could just about keep up with spending on players to the detriment of everything else. The time has sadly passed for United to rebuild a stadium and remain competitive or someone else "fitting" to buy us and do the same thing. You guys have made it a state venture sport washing/marketing vehicle.
What principles are on being owned by a company which is one of the biggest polluter in Europe, by a few banks, and by a tax dodger?
Take it to the other thread
The United Stand did a poll, 12000 responses, 50% of fans are UK, 50% are worldwide, and the demographics split pretty evenly across age groups, and the results were 80% for Qatar.What is a real life United fan and how does the athletic insure the measures are put in place in their poll
Again if we have a poll on the cafe let’s see what it says.
I do not believe Ratcliffe comes on top in any poll no matter what region.
Inevitable, every buyer will appoint new people.
The question is to what degree that will extend into the football part of the club, so essentially Murtough and below.
Ouff
there's been stories about Qatar not wanting to pay the asking price too
we don't know if these are leaked or just made up nonsense
but if it's true it's just benchmarking anyway and super standard
Inject it
. Murtough should go quickly after.The structure was one of the key things ETH pushed for during his interview.
I dont think you United need capital going in when you consider Glazer ownership has taken £1bn out for debt, dividends etc. THe stadium is another issue though. Ratcliffe is not buying Utd for profit.
I understand now. Yeah I don’t much doubt it. I think specific demographics will feel a certain way.
Hard to call what the majority think though. Which is why I wanted a poll.
I bet the Glazers can't wait for Ratcliffes bid. I mean, why accept £5 billion, when there's a very attractive £4 billion on the table
They did such a fine job with PSG, turning the club into a dysfunctional realitydrama.
I'd be curious to see a straight "Qatar vs Ratcliffe" poll on here but I can't be arsed making another thread about the sale.
He is not putting his own money there, and it is gonna be debt leveraged (be it if the debt is on United, or INEOS, United's parent company). He is probably gonna get money from United back, some way or another.
And yes, we need outside capital going to compete with clubs that have unlimited resources (City now, Newcastle in the future).
Have you even read the full outlet? The reports appear to say it'll be a Qatari CEO which makes them no more qualified.Inject it
Don't really mind Arnold getting the boot here. I assume they'll keep Murtough + Ten Hag around for a bit.
Funnily enough I thought Arnold played the political game perfectly by saying his job is to have the money available and Murtough's job is build a winning squad.
He effectively put the responsibility for the transfer business on one individual. That wasn't the case under Woody so he got a lot of flak for every wrong decision.
New CEO can do the same. Murtough keeps his job as long as he delivers.
Yeah I seen that one. Which is why I’m more of the belief the fanbase wants Qatar.
As long as they don't mess with Ten Hag and his staff I'm not bothered
To be fair have we got it together? It just seems as if Ten Hag came in, picked the players he wanted and kept the structure away from it.
It never looked good to me
The lack of anything concrete so far on this ‘soft deadline’ is leaving me rather soft, too.
If Qatar do take over and dish out the cash can you imagine @Berbaclass @Brownie85 and @Plant0x84 post count on the transfer threads.
I've been told plenty of times, the CEO does not need to be involved in football matters.
So I don't care if he's not experienced if he identifies and hires in the right people for the job (i.e. not Murtoughs).
Arnold had the sense to know he's not best qualified for the footballing decisions and empowered the manager and DoF.
If we go by how Qatar handled PSG, they'll be breaking wage structures in no time, which is a big step back.
What incentives? I just don’t understand this. Balon Dor clause maybe?!
And yet they do.
I think Qatar will edge it as Saudi already have a PL club
I'm sure the majority will want Qatar. The majority of our fans have never been within thousands of miles of Manchester, I do not expect this to trouble them at all. I find all outcomes sad and troubling, whatever the result, it's not something I'll be celebrating.
It's a historic time that's for sure!
Big difference between quietly negotiating with the club and setting out a public position in the media that's rather ridiculous and that you can't backtrack on without looking like a clown.
Incentives ?
What could that possibly mean
Glazers have the option to buy Nice if they make the CL
Thank you for clarifying. I hope the majority do see it as an issue. If they do buy the club, I hope there are systems in place to ensure fans and even employees of the club arent alienated or treated differently.
what has he said publicly that's ridiculous?
Funny how you can’t see the difference with Saudi and protestors being murdered. Or you refuse to say hi back to Julian
The migrants has been discussed and was shown that the media lied /mislead. People do die… they used the fact that 87% of Qatar population is a migrant population to give a very inaccurate picture. One of the stats included foreign CEO’s who died over a 10 year period.
I think someone on the WC thread, who initially was of the “they treat migrants like crap” did his/her own research and realised actually labourers on the job death rates where similar to western countries.
Go speak to a representative sample of Qatari women. That’s the normal thing to do.. I can’t say Japanese people discriminated against in Japan unless if I speak to enough Japanese people.
All demonstrations of public sexuality are illegal in Qatar. It’s funny how people focus on the same sex aspect. If anything it’s probably easier for a gay/lesbian couple to get laid in Qatar as no one asks questions when a same sex people book a hotel room. But it opposite sex couple booked a room they’d have difficulties.
A wealthy individual beholden to share prices would be far more malleable than a sportwashing autocrat with endless amounts of money.
It's highly questionable what Ratcliffes intentions are. It was only a few months ago he was said to have spoken about a prospective sale. He could have capitalised on this month's beforehand. Feels like he's doing to United what he did during the acquisition of Chelsea.
I can absolutely 100% guarantee you no one is going to spend upwards of 5bn GBP and then not appoint their own CEO. Richard Arnold was a goner the second the club went up for sale.
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