FlawlessThaw
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Hope the Qataris feel generous after a few years maybe.Fan ownership (not decision-making) is the dream, is there any realistic pathway to it?
Hope the Qataris feel generous after a few years maybe.Fan ownership (not decision-making) is the dream, is there any realistic pathway to it?
that bid is so hilarious that its almost like a child had done itPeople scrabbling to find out if this Finnish dude has enough money to placate them (ie bragging rights).
Government mandate is the only way in hell that I can imagine it ever happening and that won't happen.Fan ownership (not decision-making) is the dream, is there any realistic pathway to it?
It has its merits (except in respect of the decision making part). Many fans have been crying out for some sort of fan ownership model for years.that bid is so hilarious that its almost like a child had done it
No-one is slagging them off for knowing nothing, they are slagging them off for tweeting absolute nonsense all day yesterday.
These people get paid for this.
Sports journos aren't experts though, unless Christo Grozev or somebody became one when I wasn't watching. They just rely on a general low level source who feeds info based on the brief of the day. So it's perfectly reasonable to expect their source to think the bids went through if that was the intention, without knowing about a hitch until later. It's not uncommon to brief generalities to low level staff, and let them catch up later if something unexpected happens and situations are fluid. It could be anything, from discovering there's a big fish bidding to a technicality. And there was obviously an intention to place the bid. You're being too hard on them.If your professor tells you that the moon is made of cheese and you go there and it turns out its made of rock then surely you'll start wondering if your professor is an idiot. We're not talking about a mistake in the small print here. Either INEOS and Jassim had placed a bid or they had not. Its a binary thing.
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Dream for who? Have you watched Welcome to Wrexham, the fans bought their club in an attempt to save it and ran it into the ground.Fan ownership (not decision-making) is the dream, is there any realistic pathway to it?
None of us get paid to make up shit, to be fairSports journos aren't experts though, unless Christo Grozev or somebody became one when I wasn't watching. They just rely on a general low level source who feeds info based on the brief of the day. So it's perfectly reasonable to expect their source to think the bids went through if that was the intention, without knowing about a hitch until later. It's not uncommon to brief generalities to low level staff, and let them catch up later if something unexpected happens and situations are fluid. It could be anything, from discovering there's a big fish bidding to a technicality. And there was obviously an intention to place the bid. You're being too hard on them.
At least the sports journos aren't claiming to know the composition of the other bidders or that it's just hedge fund/glazers etc, or how SJR will finance the club, or a million other claims people are making here.
How would it work though? We can barely agree on anything in redcafe let alone if everyone is involved in decision making. Also, what is stopping Liverpool fans from buying into and troll the decision making?It has its merits (except in respect of the decision making part). Many fans have been crying out for some sort of fan ownership model for years.
The difficulty is in how the fans would be selected.
Exactly, I don't know exactly the SEC regulations but surely driving a public sell with multiple bidders in order to increase the price can't be legal.Apart from fan riots, pissing off Billionaires, and losing credibility throughout the business world, it could very well get them in legal trouble with the SEC.
That's pure market manipulation if this was all a show to raise the stock price. Especially after the average price in 2022 was at a 10 year low.
Given Barca's struggles I don't think it's all that tbh. Ultimately you need a great management team + a good coach. Regardless of the ownership model, things will work.Fan ownership (not decision-making) is the dream, is there any realistic pathway to it?
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Dream for who? Have you watched Welcome to Wrexham, the fans bought their club in an attempt to save it and ran it into the ground.
Yeah I’m aware of the pitfalls. I guess I just idealize the German (or more specifically Bayern) model. Not that it would necessarily work in England.Given Barca's struggles I don't think it's all that tbh. Ultimately you need a great management team + a good coach. Regardless of the ownership model, things will work.
This is a valid point. If there was evidence to show Glazers had alternative intentions, there could be implications with allegations of stock price manipulation. Especially from where the price was before the sale news.Apart from fan riots, pissing off Billionaires, and losing credibility throughout the business world, it could very well get them in legal trouble with the SEC.
That's pure market manipulation if this was all a show to raise the stock price. Especially after the average price in 2022 was at a 10 year low.
Yes, but the protests two years ago did. Was there anything like as much social media then? A couple of games called off, fans on the pitch. Mass coverage of all. The share price would absolutely tank as soon as they announced the deal was off and carry on with the protests. 2005’s a long time ago.Yup, I think people forget how angry the protests were back in 2005 and they didn't end up making any difference in the end.
I know. I can’t see how that works at all. A couple of weeks back it was “the Glazers are going to set up a new “commercial arm”, of United which will make XXX, and that means they can borrow loads of money to set it up”You have to be very simple to buy into the Glazers using this whole process to leverage a loan...
Instruct Raine, go through several rounds of bidding, host potential buyers at OT and then extend the bidding deadline just so you can say "see we are worth lending to"
Just utter click bait nonsense.
Yeah because Simon Stone is an ITK ReporterAccording to a guy proven to be completely full of shit just last night.
He’s as ITK on this as you and I.
Only if they sell shares on the open market at the same time. It's not illegal to start a genuine sale process and not conclude with a sale, unless the SEC can prove that's what was intended all along.Apart from fan riots, pissing off Billionaires, and losing credibility throughout the business world, it could very well get them in legal trouble with the SEC.
That's pure market manipulation if this was all a show to raise the stock price. Especially after the average price in 2022 was at a 10 year low.
I hope you are joking. You cant be serious.To reach half of the rumoured asking price (£3bn), one million fans would have to pay £3k each…so it’s not an outlandish idea.
I hope you are joking. You cant be serious.
I’m just using that example to demonstrate that the central concept isn’t outlandish.One million fans?! You’d do well to get 1 million fans to put even £100 each in never mind £3k!
Yes it is the Bayern Munich model then that would be ideal.Is the Thomas Zilliacus bid similar to how clubs in Germany are run? If so I'd be on board with that idea.
True, but most of us would accept payment for it if offeredNone of us get paid to make up shit, to be fair
As I thought.No, it is not true. The ONS publishes statistics on this, which aren't hard to find. The UK imports about half of its gas (the other half mostly comes from North Sea drilling). 77% of all UK gas imports come from Norway.
In terms of investment, it's not a surprise that the largest investors in the UK are the US and the EU.
Never heard of him so I Googled his net worth.People scrabbling to find out if this Finnish dude has enough money to placate them (ie bragging rights).
This particular bid mentions half of the club being owned by fans, so it would depend on the numbers (people never tire of repeating how many fans the club has) and whether it’s tiered or not.At the current valuations, it would be near on impossible to have fans having a significant chunk of the club. Certainly not a controlling stake.
I don't think so they're just cranking up the drama to squeeze every last penny they can out of United before they feck off. Wouldn't surprise me if they've tipped one of the buyers off what the other was bidding.Is it likely the Glazers stay?
Guy’s doing a gofundme bid. Fan involvement is cool and all, but it doesn’t instil a lot of confidencePeople scrabbling to find out if this Finnish dude has enough money to placate them (ie bragging rights).
Can we assume he is also a life long United fan and was at the 1991 Cup final in Rotterdam?
Dunno. I googled and he was living in a $10milliom apartmentNever heard of him so I Googled his net worth.
This is the best I could find.
622 THOUSAND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
Whatever that is in billions.
You never know mate. If Jim and Jassim sign up there's 6 quid for a start.He's not going to get 3b from the fans. He probably knows that.
They won't give a flying fiddler's feck.Without any judgement on any of the particular bidders or guessing figures, what do we think the "bids" will look like from the two known possible buyers?
Total sum offered.
When they'll pay the above figure.
Date they want it done by.
What else?
Will the Glaziers genuinely give a shit about future plans for the stadium/squad/etc?
Ratcliffe is the very proof that anyone can make it people claim doesn't exist.This is a good one. How it Jim Ratcliffe a "generational recipient of success on the backs of English Slavery and colonialism"
He grew up in a council house, with a father who was a joiner and a mother who worked in an accounts office.