Yes. The case would be brought by US investors, against the Glazer’s, a US entity, around the manipulation of the US stock exchange. Cayman Island’s doesn’t figure into it.Are you speaking from personal expertise or do you have sources you could share?
Again, it's a fair and valid point. If we were to be pessimistic, the thought of them refinancing at a higher rate and just paying the interest isn't beyond them until a lower rate became available. What works in our favour is that these are the Glazer children, not Malcom. I don't think the offspring have the balls to take such a risk so yeh, a sale, ideally a full sale is their only option.Debt is no longer cheap. That option is not feasible any more.
The only option they have left is full sale, majority sale or minority sale to vulture capitalists.
It’s why full sale has always been the most likely. Then majority sale. Minority sale would require them reinvesting their own capital into the club to obtain some sort of growth and keep the vultures at bay.
Excuse my ignorance but are the class A shares of equal monetary value to the B shares?Yes. The case would be brought by US investors, against the Glazer’s, a US entity, around the manipulation of the US stock exchange. Cayman Island’s doesn’t figure into it.
I said we know nothing and was clearly referring to the bidding proces as that was what my sentence was about. Twisting and deliberately misreading a post of mine is beyond me. Being personally for no reason instead of trying to be nuanced is beyond me. Never tried to bully any posters so where on earth do you get bullying from?! Honestly cant be arsed to do more replies to you - it seems like a complete waste of time.So why are you adamant it’s a state bid when you yourself say we know nothing. Takes somebody who has to shout their username to try and be big. It will all come out in the wash, and I really don’t care. I’m entitled to my opinion as you are to yours, so don’t try to bully fellow posters that only have United’s interest at heart.
I was hoping for like 'I work in financial law in NY' or something, 'Yes' doesn't really give me much to make a decision on whether I should be listening to you or not.Yes. The case would be brought by US investors, against the Glazer’s, a US entity, around the manipulation of the US stock exchange. Cayman Island’s doesn’t figure into it.
Seems far more likely the Glazers would leak this to tease more money out of Ineos, in the same way there are multiple rumours regarding Ineos being slightly ahead, most likely to tease more money out of the Qataris. Doesn’t make sense at all for Ineos to leak it, they gain nothing by this, state ownership doesn’t matter a jot to the Glazers, they just want the BenjaminsThe timing of the Nasser al-Khelaifi leak is very interesting, especially since it's over a month old news - I can't help but think it's leaked from SJR's group to bring up agaib the questions on separation between Jassim and the Qatari state.
Maybe pressure Glazers on the likelihood that the deal with Jassim could fall apart becuase of state ownership concerns.
No, but if SJ wants to buy them, as he has said, then the A class shareholders will expect a big premium on their current market value - otherwise they won’t sell.Excuse my ignorance but are the class A shares of equal monetary value to the B shares?
Not really. Nobody is reporting it.Yes, it’s serious and has nothing to do with Cayman Islands. This will be a US case if it comes to it, as it revolves around the NYSE listing.
Thanks for explainingNo, but if SJ wants to buy them, as he has said, then the A class shareholders will expect a big premium on their current market value - otherwise they won’t sell.
Again, I think you and others are seriously underestimating this guy. I could believe that Qatars very top brass might be able to manipulate him but the Glazer family? These guys are small fish in all this. Ratcliffe and Jassim are levels above those clowns, the world's 55th richest person and someone with the full might of an entire country Vs the Glazer kids...What i think is that the glazers have used the ratcliffe bid as a leverage to get SJ to increase his bid as all we heard was that SJR was in the lead. You are right there is nothing stopping SJR from improving his bid but i feel that he doesn’t have the means for it hence he got creative with it by offering to pay the glazers more overall albeit over three years rather tha now.
So you start your reply with “come on - you know the answer yourself so try with this” yeah.I said we know nothing and was clearly referring to the bidding proces as that was what my sentence was about. Twisting and deliberately misreading a post of mine is beyond me. Being personally for no reason instead of trying to be nuanced is beyond me. Never tried to bully any posters so where on earth do you get bullying from?! Honestly cant be arsed to do more replies to you - it seems like a complete waste of time.
I think you're making the mistake of assuming because someone is wealthy they must be much smarter than us mere mortals. I'd have thought Elon's disastrous purchase of twitter would have made people see this isn't always the case. I'm sure Ratcliffe is a fine businessman, but just because he's rich doesn't make him infallibleAgain, I think you and others are seriously underestimating this guy. I could believe that Qatars very top brass might be able to manipulate him but the Glazer family? These guys are small fish in all this. Ratcliffe and Jassim are levels above those clowns, the world's 55th richest person and someone with the full might of an entire country Vs the Glazer kids...
Let me put something to you and anyone who fancies answering. What if you wake up tomorrow and Jassim makes a similar offer to Ratcliffe, a staged buy out where a majority is acquired now, but over a period of time, the rest are bought out. What would your reaction be?
I work in M&A law, not US. I’m giving you my opinion as to where this would go. If you have US entities and the stock exchange involved, then it all point’s to a US action, as that’s the most litigious place on the planetI was hoping for like 'I work in financial law in NY' or something, 'Yes' doesn't really give me much to make a decision on whether I should be listening to you or not.
The short answer is none of us really know. The Glazers set it up in such a way they thought they were being clever and could raise capital while not conceding power.Excuse my ignorance but are the class A shares of equal monetary value to the B shares?
Don’t know, don’t even know if he is thread banned.Why was he threadbanned?
Just now??Is there a firm deadline? I'm getting Sneijder and De Jong transfer vibes from this.
That is a better answer than I expected.I work in M&A law, not US. I’m giving you my opinion as to where this would go. If you have US entities and the stock exchange involved, then it all point’s to a US action, as that’s the most litigious place on the planet
I’d be very let down and would solely then care about which of them was going to provide the most investment in stadium and infrastructure.Again, I think you and others are seriously underestimating this guy. I could believe that Qatars very top brass might be able to manipulate him but the Glazer family? These guys are small fish in all this. Ratcliffe and Jassim are levels above those clowns, the world's 55th richest person and someone with the full might of an entire country Vs the Glazer kids...
Let me put something to you and anyone who fancies answering. What if you wake up tomorrow and Jassim makes a similar offer to Ratcliffe, a staged buy out where a majority is acquired now, but over a period of time, the rest are bought out. What would your reaction be?
“Why do people keep making numbers up. Nobody has a clue as to what’s been tabled. Whatever the numbers are, they still don’t seem enough for the Glazer’s - that’s about all we know”So you start your reply with “come on - you know the answer yourself so try with this” yeah.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion - not just yours!
Funnily enough, intelligence is the last thing I would use to describe the ultra wealthy. They're obviously not stupid but it's their ability to take risks that often get them to where they are. Whether that's a deal or investment nobody else believes in or just blatantly stealing someone else's idea.I think you're making the mistake of assuming because someone is wealthy they must be much smarter than us mere mortals. I'd have thought Elon's disastrous purchase of twitter would have made people see this isn't always the case. I'm sure Ratcliffe is a fine businessman, but just because he's rich doesn't make him infallible
It's usually a mix of luck, capital and sometimes, some genuinely great decisions or intelligent moves. But it just seemed odd to say that Ratcliffe couldn't be manipulated by the Glazers because he's so rich this makes him immune to manipulation. The Glazers have an asset that he wants and they don't have to sell, this puts them in a strong negotiating position which is why they're seemingly getting a 100% premium on their sharesFunnily enough, intelligence is the last thing I would use to describe the ultra wealthy. They're obviously not stupid but it's their ability to take risks that often get them to where they are. Whether that's a deal or investment nobody else believes in or just blatantly stealing someone else's idea.
Surely they'll back ETH and pay up for Mount?Ok, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
Osimhen.Ok, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
I think they would go for Kane (if SJ they’ll offer silly money) and if it’s INEOS I could see us go big for Rice but still within the 100-120 mark.Ok, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
I believe very strongly it’ll be Jassim, and I really want Harry Kane at Utd and a top class MF.Ok, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
scott mcTominay 5 year bumper dealOk, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
Phil FodenOk, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
Danny welbeckOk, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
There something called fair market value and this is a premium which is offered after a buy out of controlling shares. However if SJ is announced due to the liquidity of the offer, the shares will go up anyway and we’ve already seen a rise from $18 a few days ago to $19.36 which means the view is something is happening.Thanks for explaining
That’s pretty obviousscott mcTominay 5 year bumper deal
the Times are reporting that Jassims camp is confidentIs there a way to see just the media that’s posted in a thread. It’s a pain in the arsenal to scroll through 25 pages trying to find any updates. Has there been any today?
The Times and The Daily Mail have reported today that the process is likely to come to a conclusion this week, with one of the two bidders likely to be named as the preferred bidder (which means they will enter into exclusivity with the Glazers while the final details the takeover deal are ironed out).Is there a way to see just the media that’s posted in a thread. It’s a pain in the arsenal to scroll through 25 pages trying to find any updates. Has there been any today?
In all honesty even if a deal is agreed doesn’t mean it’s done, timeframe could end up like this ;Ok, let’s divert our attention.
If one of Ineos or Qatar ends up being our new owners soon and still can influence the summer transfer market, I am sure they would want to make one signature signing.
Who do you think we are most likely to get Or who would you want us to get as a signature signing.
Is this from Twitter? The same guy that is claiming this is also sticking the boot in on ETH It's another of these "ITK" accounts.streets saying Qatar have won? I'm awake!!
need Keegan to drop the dagger on Ratcliffe's bid