Switched off for a second and paid for it. Been very good this season though so unless it starts to happen on a regular basis im not gonna lose sleep
Learn to read what was written not what you imagine in your head. I said he had made up for his earlier shitshow against Brentford not that I was perfectly happy. Now that he has fecked up again, he's not having a great season like we thought just slightly above average what he's been serving us the past few years. He's improved a few things but his huge weaknesses remain and we can and should do better.Wait so after the last game you were perfectly happy, but based on last night the entire POV has changed and De Gea is back to his worst?
Seems a perfectly logical take!
So one mistake in an fa Cup 3rd round game goes from great to above average season?Learn to read what was written not what you imagine in your head. I said he had made up for his earlier shitshow against Brentford not that I was perfectly happy. Now that he has fecked up again, he's not having a great season like we thought just slightly above average what he's been serving us the past few years. He's improved a few things but his huge weaknesses remain and we can and should do better.
Yes if you grade it at the moment. How many calamity feck ups is a top keeper allowed a season? I'd say two max and he's already at his limit with more than half the season to come. Also any comparison to Allison is silly as feck. Allison is so much better than de gea it's tragic.So one mistake in an fa Cup 3rd round game goes from great to above average season?
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I guess it’s from people stuck in a time warp that watch the sport, rather than reading spreadsheets.Where does the idea that he's been good this season come from?
Saves that other keepers also make regularly get overrated.
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Some of us are capable of doing both. What has he done that has been so impressive? Which games?I guess it’s from people stuck in a time warp that watch the sport, rather than reading spreadsheets.
I read what you wrote and imagined nothing, you quite clearly indicated that yesterday's game took him to Brentford levels...which is just a stupid statement.Learn to read what was written not what you imagine in your head. I said he had made up for his earlier shitshow against Brentford not that I was perfectly happy. Now that he has fecked up again, he's not having a great season like we thought just slightly above average what he's been serving us the past few years. He's improved a few things but his huge weaknesses remain and we can and should do better.
I like this summary. Agreed.I think what @Kag means is that De Gea performs well when he has to be called upon often. He will make save upon save in that kind of situation. However, he is prone to mistakes when the opposition chances are few and far between. He's prone to lapses in concentration like that.
He did hold on to the post again hereEverton's 2nd (disallowed) goal.
So is Alisson or whichever keeper you name reallyI think what @Kag means is that De Gea performs well when he has to be called upon often. He will make save upon save in that kind of situation. However, he is prone to mistakes when the opposition chances are few and far between. He's prone to lapses in concentration like that.
Pretty much every keeper does though. I can think of two Schmeichel made in the treble season, when he was mostly immense.He has these howlers in him, couple a season.
De Gea always gives you 7/10 performances and when he drops a clanger it's a spectacular one where you question his ability as a goalie but I'm not concerned.
We should have got rid of him before it and gone with a more modern keeper like Ian Walker.Pretty much every keeper does though. I can think of two Schmeichel made in the treble season, when he was mostly immense.
I don't watch Liverpool so I won't know about Alisson, but Van Der Sar was reliable. We'd have long periods of having the ball, opposition gets a chance and he's there to deal with it.So is Alisson or whichever keeper you name really
I think people are harsher towards him when he makes a mistake. Maybe because of his wages. He has been improving in aspects most believed "can't be taught". I'm okay with him being the number 1 GK while we're looking for his replacement.I think lot's of folks here are being unfair. It was one admittedly very poor error in how many?
He's been brilliant for us this season, he's still a brilliant shot stopper, he comes off his line a lot more, and even his long throws/passes now tend to hit their target more oven than not. He deserves a break
Van der Sar made massive errors too. All keepers do.I don't watch Liverpool so I won't know about Alisson, but Van Der Sar was reliable. We'd have long periods of having the ball, opposition gets a chance and he's there to deal with it.
He still made a couple of errors a season. Often being caught flat footed by efforts from distance if memory serves.I don't watch Liverpool so I won't know about Alisson, but Van Der Sar was reliable. We'd have long periods of having the ball, opposition gets a chance and he's there to deal with it.
Van der Sar made massive errors too. All keepers do.
How many points has De Gea cost us this season by conceding goals you expect him to save? And how many points has he saved us by saving when he's expected to concede?
I don't know how one mistake is a ton of game makes him unreliable. Did you watch Bournemouth less than a week ago?
It's not up to me. If Ten Hag believes he can be a success with De Gea in goal, then I'm backing that decision. If ETH decides he needs to go, then yeah give the manager whatever he needs. We'll probably have an idea of what De Gea's future is this summer.He still made a couple of errors a season. Often being caught flat footed by efforts from distance if memory serves.
All keepers have these flaws. It’s the pros and cons of keepers at big clubs
That’s ignoring the point we both made. Every goalkeeper, whether that’s Allison, or Van der Sar, or Neuer, or Gianluigi Buffon they will make a few errors a season, and way more often than not they’ll result in a goal.It's not up to me. If Ten Hag believes he can be a success with De Gea in goal, then I'm backing that decision. If ETH decides he needs to go, then yeah give the manager whatever he needs. We'll probably have an idea of what De Gea's future is this summer.
One thing that would totally piss me off though is if we extend his contract at his current wages. No one is taking De Gea at that kind of money so why should we be mugged off?
I think it's from people who have actually watched him.
De Gea has been a net negative for United since 2018, his saves aren't cancelling out his mistakes.Van der Sar made massive errors too. All keepers do.
How many points has De Gea cost us this season by conceding goals you expect him to save? And how many points has he saved us by saving when he's expected to concede?
I don't know how one mistake is a ton of game makes him unreliable. Did you watch Bournemouth less than a week ago?
I must be rare where I also watch other goalkeepers as well. They make saves too, like Pickfords against Martial last night, some of you would think it was amazing if it was De Gea instead. The numbers which you don't like are just adding those kind of chances up.I think it's from people who have actually watched him.
None so blind as those unwilling to see.De Gea has been a net negative for United since 2018, his saves aren't cancelling out his mistakes.
Like those saying he’s been bad this season, for instance?None so blind as those unwilling to see.
Pull up his stats this season and compare to the top keepers.Like those saying he’s been bad this season, for instance?
Look out you'll be accused of watching spreadsheets rather than games.Pull up his stats this season and compare to the top keepers.
https://fbref.com/en/players/7ba6d84e/David-de-Gea
What if anything is exceptional in that?
For what it's worth people saying he's bad this season are wrong as well. I think he's been a bit better than his recent few years, the question is whether that's good enough. I don't think so.
I’m glad you’ve spent today learning that football is indeed played on grass, and not ExcelLook out you'll be accused of watching spreadsheets rather than games.
I don't recall VDS making 3 howlers (2 at Brentford, 1 vs Everton) in one season. The only one I can remember is the WBA one at home. And if we're being generous, that own goal Rio Ferdinand scored at Portsmouth when him and VDS had a miscommunication. In my opinion, Van Der Sar was a more reliable and steady goalkeeper than De Gea has ever been for us.That’s ignoring the point we both made. Every goalkeeper, whether that’s Allison, or Van der Sar, or Neuer, or Gianluigi Buffon they will make a few errors a season, and way more often than not they’ll result in a goal.
To single De Gea out for this as was what had been happening is madness
This is what I’ve been waiting for. De Gea is a keeper of chaos. He revels in it. I’ve said all year that as soon as we start to become good then his issues will arise. They stick out under pressure. This is the start.
A new contract will be a monumental error of judgement.
Yeah that's fair when you put it that way. I feel all goalies are due a clusterfeck of a mistake every now and then, especially the top ones; seen a few with Allison this season.I think what @Kag means is that De Gea performs well when he has to be called upon often. He will make save upon save in that kind of situation. However, he is prone to mistakes when the opposition chances are few and far between. He's prone to lapses in concentration like that.
People are confused becsuse he's been slightly better than the last few seasons and has appeared outside his box a few times.Where does the idea that he's been good this season come from?
Saves that other keepers also make regularly get overrated.
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City's 2nd goal last season at Old Trafford was another one where he was more concerned with the post than the ball.Yeah that's fair when you put it that way. I feel all goalies are due a clusterfeck of a mistake every now and then, especially the top ones; seen a few with Allison this season.
This mistake was embarrassing, but it's not a common one we see from him, being beaten with the ball coming to his feet. He was protecting the post more closely than he usually would against teams, so there may have been something he was instructed to do and it looked very unnatural.