Must be why the team can't pass to each other.
End of Season. Moyes to Stay or Go Poll
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Wow. Triple whoosh.
If we could entice Klopp or Simeone that would be ideal. Realistically though, we should go for Pochettino. Good young manager with an attacking mentality and who excels as a technical coach.
The kit man leaving changes everything, he certainly needs more time if the kit man left, i was wondering why the players were running around naked during one of the games
Decisions should be made based on your opinion of DM as a manager - not on United's policy of backing managers, as that's a load of tosh. The only manager who really got backing was Fergie. We might not have implemented knee-jerk sackings, but we didn't stick long with managers when it was going wrong.
That might work. Seeing Fellaini naked would mortify the majority of teams that play us.
I think we can pull a huge manager given what club we are talking about.
Remember the commentators when he had to change his shorts today because of the blood? One said look away if you're of a nervous disposition, then Gary Neville said "Or take a closer look if you fancy it" or something to that effect, made me laugh.
If he goes he needs to go now and we need to get an agreement in place with his successor so we don't end up with another preseason/transfer window being written off
if he does go there can be nothing but the best to replace him. no gambles on the likes of pochettino or martinez, all this talk of money to spend on players would be better thrown at a top class manager should they decide to sack moyes. Klopp, ancellotti, mourinho, guardiola, possibly simeone. these are the calibre we should be talking and absolutely nothing below it. its quite clear the players arent mentally tough enough to play for a manager they dont deem good enough.
I dont even think its the kit man leaving. Its the change of pitch that ruined us
Fully agreed.
If we don't make it against Olympiakos he should go, simply to give us a chance to find a replacement and work out what needs to be done in the summer, with nine games to go in the league there's absolutely nothing to play for anymore, i don't care if giggs is in charge for the rest of the season, it's just not working.
Who do you think will be available to replace him in the summer? (I don't think he will get sacked before next January)
Absolutely, but under a manager with an ounce of tactical nous we'd see far better from Mata.
Why on earth would that be the final straw, when we've just been stuffed at home to fecking Liverpool? I'm convinced that he won't be sacked this season, even if he pissed on SAF's statue. The problem is, the longer he stays, the further our standards drop. Look how far he's lowed them within the space of a few months. It honestly feels like he's genuinely setting out to burn the club down to the ground, he's been that awful.
Van Gaal? Klopp?
Klopp is very loyal to Dortmund is my main concern, his only other aspiration is German national coach.
Klopp is the coach I 100% want but I just doubt it.
I voted "go" but thinking about it a bit more, I'd give him another season. I don't think he should be given the full budget to spend though, he should be made to prove that he's got something about him tactically etc before being given a blank chequebook. He's spent £65m already and we're no better, and I don't think it's a problem that will be solved just by throwing money at it.
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I'd love Klopp, but there is no chance it's happening. He's staying at Dortmund. He is the manager who money can't buy.
Van Gaal could be good for a shout term shout. It never lasts with him, but for a few seasons he would have us challenging and playing good football.
Van Gaal could be good for a shout term shout. It never lasts with him, but for a few seasons he would have us challenging and playing good football.
In hindsight? What has changed since you voted 'go'?
I guess you mean the 'go' was knee jerk?
So you think he should have another season, but spend no money, in the hope he shows some sort of tactical nous (that he hasn't shown in a whole season so far) and then be given money to hopefully have a good third season?
He should have gone months ago. He is out of his depth and should never have been appointed in the first place.
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To be honest, forget the end of the season - the more I've thought about it this evening, the more I'd have him gone right now and put Giggs in as caretaker until the end of the season.
This is the worst case scenario for me, if he stays he has to be backed fully, otherwise there's absolutely no point in him staying, it will just set us back even further. Whether Moyes stays or not, this squad needs to be overhauled.
90/10. Same is the Crimea referendum.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/16/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140316
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/16/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140316
How has your hindsight made things better can I ask?
Several hours later, and with time for reflect, my opinion of him has just got worse and worse.
Didn't Klopp extend his contract recently?
We're pretty far into the season for me to have absolutely no idea what in the feck his plan is.
You're preaching to the wrong crowd, here boss. I want him gone since that Newcastle game. We brought him in as an experience manager, not a rookie. And at this point of his career and age, what we see right now, is what we'll see in the future. There won't be a drastic change. There's a zero chance he'll turn into some sort of footballing genius manager in the future. Absolutely no chance.Was just testing polls are still working
In all the years of Liverpool's mediocrity and our dominance, did we ever go to Anfield and utterly own Liverpool in the manner they did us today at Old Trafford?
Even when Liverpool were under Hodgson and we were all over them with Berbatov getting a hat-trick they still put up a good fight and got back into the game at one point.
There is something very wrong with the team and when a group of players with that much talent plays in that manner, in such a big game, it's the manager and his staff that needs to be looked at.
Moyes is looking more and more out of his depth. We have seen no signs of progression or improvement, quite the opposite, and I don't trust him anymore to make us a success next season and beyond.
And there's NO previous achievements which make you think he might turn this around. That's what separate him, with the like of AVB.
The boards made a massive gamble with him (and I totally understand the reasons), but it just doesn't work sadly. If we spunk 200m this summer, of course things will improve. But won't be to the height United is supposed to be.
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He should go right away. I don't think he will, though, it almost seems like he's unsackable. Honestly, provided we don't perform a miracle against Olympiakos, our season is over. I see no reason at all to keep Moyes on for the remainder of the season "just for the hell of it". I'd even take Giggs or someone else as the interim manager while we look for a replacement to come in either during the season or more likely the summer. If the situation in the locker room is as dire as I think it is, the simple act of removing Moyes could bring something back to the players and maybe, just maybe we could do something against Olympiakos.
I don't think it's going to happen - I think he's going to be here for the remainder of the season, though I can't for the life of me figure out why - but he might just get sacked if we lose on wednesday.
I don't think it's going to happen - I think he's going to be here for the remainder of the season, though I can't for the life of me figure out why - but he might just get sacked if we lose on wednesday.
He's a good servant to the club. Maybe a bit respect should be shown?
This
Anyone. Honestly, anyone. It can't get worse than this.
I'd take redcafes own football professor Kevin over him at this point.
Aye, we need to treat people in the club with respect. Moyes included.
Respect isn't a perquisite, its earned
If we spunked £200m in the summer on world class players and got someone like Pochettino in, we'd be challenging for the title again in my view. We need someone who knows how he wants to play.
Treating humans with basic level of respect is. Agreed I don't think Moyes is in anyway fit for the role, and I also think Phil is experienced enough to be a backroom staff at a club here...
I was more replying to Gannicus' insulting comment about Phil.
If he'd been here for years, and played a big part in title winning squad, yes Moyes included.