There is logic to it yea i think,specially if you are based on possession football. Guess its easier. When it comes to brigade,guess they were more annoying at the fact that sometimes 2 better CBs ( in their view) couldnt play in same due both being right footed under LvG,also they used Vidic Rio partnership as example.as nuts as LVG was I think he had a point, it is better to have Left footers on the right and vice versa, it's just hard to find good left footed CB's the pool is obviously much smaller.
Which makes Rojo's injury even more annoying
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That is a weird statement, considering that only in the recent years Rio, Vidic and Evra had absolutely outstanding seasons (Vidic even won 2 Premier league player of the season awards), making the best defensive unit in the world for a few seasons. And that's ignoring Stam in the treble-winning season or McGrath (well, it's highly possible that you haven't seen him, so that's a fair exclusion)
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Time flies.Can't say I envy him if that's true - that means that he basically start watching us in the worst form we've been in decades
Obviously getting a little carried away then. And I say that as a huge fan of Bailly!
If he keeps this up from now til the end of the season he's our player of the year for sure.
Growing into a monster centre back. Reminds me a little of a young Kompany.
Growing into a monster centre back. Reminds me a little of a young Kompany.
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He was in for a ride.. the low ride.Just realized that 2010/11 was 6 years ago
Can't say I envy him if that's true - that means that he basically start watching us in the worst form we've been in decades
He's absolutely brilliant. Makes you realize what an utter fraud the substandard Smalling is when Bailly can come in from Spain, and show in less than a season better defensive and passing ability than Smalling can dream of.
It feels surreal that he's this good! He's made 1 or 2 mistakes but has otherwise been absolutely fantastic all season.
What's your thought about Ivar Jones?
Beautiful defender.
Vidic/Rio hybrid in the making. If he develops right, he could be the best CB in the world in 2-3 years.
He was immense again last night. A real beast of an all-round defender. Stick someone world-class alongside him and we'd have the best CB partnership in the league easily, and one of the best in Europe.
I love this guy. Going to be a world class defender and hopefully stay and united for the rest of his career. Let's just hope he doesn't get a bad injury.
genuinely think he's one of the best in the league already. monster.
People still think Smalling or Jones is better? 
The praise he is getting for last nights performance is a little over the top IMO. Yes he makes some brilliant last ditch challenges and is beast physically but equally he makes stupid decisions and gets us into trouble. There was a number of occasions yesterday when he should have been getting rid of the ball and ended up losing it, trying to play a tricky pass on the edge of our box or not being aware of what was going on around him. He seems to what to launch the ball forward when he has loads of time and space and then when he is surrounded by opposition players he tries to play risky neat passes in and around them.
He is already one of the best tacklers in the league and if he can improve his decision making he will be the best defender in the league but he has a lot of work to do on that side of things I think.
He is already one of the best tacklers in the league and if he can improve his decision making he will be the best defender in the league but he has a lot of work to do on that side of things I think.
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I csnt remember his decision making being bad at all yesterday? Mught be wrong though.
Even if it was, he's a 23 year old, Rio was much the same at that age, to be expected, i would go as far to say he's got the potential to be as good as Rio, whether he fulfils it is another matter.
What impressed me the most yesterday was his composure and passing out of Defence. Contrary to our midfielders who shat themselves everytime the City players pressed them, Bailly was excellent at keeping possession.
Have you watched the video above? he literally makes no mistakes. All passes are forward and well weighted. He had a 9/10 performance for me.
This guy just looks better and better all the time, and dare I say it, looks like he could be the new Vidic. I think there is a lot more to come from him, and the fact he can fill in at RB is just an added bonus. He was an absolute rock against City last night, a real no nonsense defender. Highly impressive.
The video above is his highlights, it's not going to show the poor things he did. I can think of two mistakes of the top of my head. A poor clearance that he should have left for someone else who was in a better position that led to De Bruyne crossing it for Aguero who should have scored at the near post. Another one where he comes steaming out of defence getting in Herrera'sway, causing Herrera to lose possession on the edge of our box. There were other examples too. Don't get me wrong I love the guy but he has a lot to improve in, he's still to erratic and makes mistakes.
, Aguero's chance was more on him than Blind tbh, but was brilliant apart from that.
Deeney complimented Bailly:
http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/29/troy-...-an-example-to-explain-arsenals-woes-6605043/
http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/29/troy-...-an-example-to-explain-arsenals-woes-6605043/
Rojo has been better and its one of the reason we hardly concede any goals. We don't need to stick anyone into CB - we've got two brilliant players already.
We are lucky he chose us over City. He's every attribute Guardiola looks for in a CB. I think it's safe to say City would be in a better position on the table had they signed him.
the instance with herrera, herrera literally got in his way when there was no need for it and ended up booting the ball up against a city player
i think that sometimes in an effort to be the "voice of reason" (lack of better words) people's criticisms become weirdly augmented yet inconsequential, like for instance asserting that he makes mistakes, is that really warranted considering no one in here said he doesn't, and given the nature of the game, and position he plays in, those are bound to happen? Its not as if he's a calamity out there.
Fact of the matter is, he's been our best defender and one of the best in the league this year with people being only able to point out maybe 3 or 4 games where he wasn't "good", which imo makes the "there's a lot he needs to improve in" assertion another exaggeration considering he's already performing at a level that can be compared to the best in the league this season. Now don't get me wrong, fans and players should always look for improvement in their performances and its clear Bailly can and should get better but one of your posts started with "the praise he's getting for that performance is a little over the top" and to me that's just a weird attitude considering he had a great performance, was motm in many, dare i say most, eyes, and substantially contributed to us getting away with a point in a match where the rest of the team pretty much looked dead in the water.
Like, it's ok to congratulate players, be excited and focus on how good they are, especially when they perform consistently and its not a one off. Don't always have to temper the excitement with "he was good but, that one time...", although I do understand and respect that some people reserve the right to do so/are like that. It's just, I feel the plaudits he's getting are well deserved.
City really did make a mess out of all their chances. They should've won this by at least a goal or two.
I agree, nobody cares logically but they really should have won and were much better the entire match. We got lucky, luck was on our side for once!
Everybody else looked dead in the water? And Bailley alone fetched a draw for us? Really? I quote you back your own words: "I think that sometimes in an effort to be the "voice of reason" (lack of better words) people's criticisms become weirdly augmented yet inconsequential".
I wish I could avoid getting too excited with Bailly (we've been let down so often) but with him in their defence it's hard to see them even remotely struggling for a top four place. If he keeps up his progression as he is doing, he could be a genuinely world class CB, I really think that. I've been wrong before though so I'll try and keep a lid on my hopes for him from here on out.
Dipped a bit after the injury and AFCON, but when he's on form he's extremely good. Particularly in league games, he's been great to watch from both a technical and often a humour perspective.
I always draw back to the early season game against Hull...when he literally won every challenge.
His athleticism, enthusiasm to get the ball and confidence is a breath of fresh air. It's nice to have a player who doesn't mind having the ball at his feet...he might not be amazing with it all the time but it beats a defender shitting himself in possession.
I always draw back to the early season game against Hull...when he literally won every challenge.
His athleticism, enthusiasm to get the ball and confidence is a breath of fresh air. It's nice to have a player who doesn't mind having the ball at his feet...he might not be amazing with it all the time but it beats a defender shitting himself in possession.
Good to see our lad has made a name for himself, having an aura like that will contribute to getting back our old fear factor. I can barely imagine lining up in the tunnel opposite this beast let alone playing against a defender so strong,quick and uncompromising in the challenge.
substantially =/= alone. I think De Gea and Bailly were the better performers with Blind doing very well. dead in the water was more so regarding our attacking outlets, as well as our midfield options underperforming imo, i didn't think clarification was needed and for that i apologise, my damage. My overall sentiments still hold...
When watching United games when he's in the starting 11.. I always find myself shouting, "Well in Bailly" "Bailly's a beast" etc.. Only negative thing I can say about him is sometimes he panics with the ball and slices clearances or just hooves it when a simple pass to a cm is on. But, I am old school when it comes to defenders (like a defenders job is to be a good defender 1st) and on that point he's a beast. Buy of the season for us.
Bailly would've comfortably gone for double what he did if his performances of this year were on full display last season.
Absolutely.
I didn't know much about Bailly before he came to United, but I'd wager there's a good chance Mourinho's coaching has actually improved Bailly up a tier or two from his level at Valencia, or at the least he's helping him to find consistency in his game. Again I have no idea how highly rated he was before, but at the time we signed him, it was very much a surprise signing for most United fans (and other fans). Perhaps the demands of the PL align better for Bailly than La Liga did.
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