Ten Hag has had to make some big decisions (Ronaldo, De Gea, Maguire, Sancho)
And here we will be in 18 months as the cycle endlessly repeats. At least the new TV money mean the Glazers are better off.
It is, and it’s unfortunate but it’s been coming for a while now. You can’t go to war with multiple players and then have them remain at the club, Fergie would but they’d be gone almost right away, I guess there’s a time and place to pick your battles. I don’t think it’s just Sancho, the treatment of Maguire, McTomminay, Varane and De Gea hasn’t been great and will have ruffled feathers, especially as he’s brought in replacements who are not better than the players he’s tried to exile and then played them no matter what their form has been.
I find it strange. This place I mean. Too many fair weather fans.
This is actually a very good point. I admit I was very happy to see the captaincy changed but it didn't look like it helped anything at all. Maguire ends up showing him up instead.
If and when ten Hag is sacked, we really need to sort out the sporting side of the organisation as others have said. We basically need a squad who are not overpaid and who collectively fit a style.
I think this is part of the issue yes
You were also happy with the other decisions too I imagine? Ronaldo, De Gea.. Most were, including him disciplining Rashford, Sancho etc.
This either or thing doesn't work. It can be both. I'm sure actual football people coming into the club now will ensure all this farcical nonsense we've endured with players is over now. In this instance, the players haven't downed tools, however (Martial doesn't count, and Rashford is on some other shit at the moment), and running and training in a system that engenders belief that it can be successful come match time must be wholly different to a shambolic set up many people across the internet had earmarked to fail from the moment it was announced.
We were spoiled.
Exactly this. I think the varane falling out is probably what broke the camels back and the players are now calling him out for his poor man management
I think we, the fans, will be more inclined to give the manager a break when it comes to the recruitment side of things if it’s handled by a DOF. Right now, a big part of the flak Ten Hag gets is around his recruitment because he’s so bad at it.
Why can't I back him last season but not this one? Most of the mistakes, like Maguire, De Gea, Sancho, Varane, Casemiro (?) are from this season. Not allowing people to change their minds is how cults get started.
Just feels a bit like when the going gets tough the tough get going..
I don't believe Sancho is the biggest cause for fraction of the squad. Sure Sancho has his mates. However, the Matic, Ronaldo which likely connect to the Bruno, Varane, Casimero, DDG... wouldn't back Sancho either on top of ETH's own signings, his players.
It’s not about questioning the manager it’s the way of going about it. Every single manager in top flight football is basically in the top 1% in the world ability-wise. Nobody is a clown or a fraud. These are people at the very top of their profession and just because things don’t work out for them doesn’t mean they’re any of those things.Crossed a line? Jesus.
You should see some of the shit in the player performance threads. Anything goes in there apparently but no ones allowed to question the mighty Ten Hag.
Without excusing the quality of the recruitment, this just underscores how badly we are run.
Except obviously Steve Kean.
Goes without saying.
Whether it is under ten Hag or the next manager, there must be a reset. We need many years and transfer windows to ship out the high earners and move to a lower wage structure. And that's before FFP comes knocking again in 2024.
I know what you mean, but he hasn't enough credit in the bank for me to keep blindly backing him. Arteta and Klopp showed glimpses of what they were trying. And while I backed ETH's discplining of Rashford last season (as well as the player himself), his handling of various issues this season have bene off the mark. And daft at worst.
Disagreed on the bonded part. This is ETH own doing. He had some excuses that he did not get the help, but not the financial and mental backing/support from the passive Arnold and Murtough.
I think you can definitely say that about players but managers generally get a break because they had a prestigious playing career or they have a mate who owns a football club. I’m not saying Ten Hag hasn’t earned the right to have his shot at managing a big side but there are many, many poor managers out there.
Yes.
We've needed to bin off a fair few of these jokers for years now, but for some bizarre reason, they keep surviving new regimes. If ETH goes, Martial will be onto his 5th full-time manager, and 6th if we include Ralf
The writing is on the wall simply because of the consistent predictable losses.
I'm not excusing him from mistakes as a coach. My point is we appointed a coach to coach a squad and still gave him a load of money to undertake recruitment. That absolutely cannot be repeated again. If a coach wants the final say on signings, we should not appoint them.
That's not factual, is it. Young, Smalling, Pogba, Matic etc, etc. Ten Hag signed 11 of the current ones.
What?!
The leaks are the death knell, but yes, he was under massive pressure due to our performances and results. I just feel he had far too much going against him this season, some of which was his own doing and some that was simply out of his control.
Absolutely.
Yes. But only happens under a structure where DOF actually operate like DOF to take responsibility to recruitment. You don't expect Murtough to spearhead squad building when he's no experience doing, since Moyes did all the heavy lifting at Everton, and Murtough is only the paper guy for Woodward.
Time + faith = Mikel Arteta
There are people who think Martial still has something to offer. The whole squad needs to be dismantled and rebuilt just like what Arsenal have done.We've needed to bin off a fair few of these jokers for years now, but for some bizarre reason, they keep surviving new regimes. If ETH goes, Martial will be onto his 5th full-time manager, and 6th if we include Ralf
No, not at all. Indulging a manager and giving him carte blanche to sign whomever he wants is doubling down on failure. No serious club works that way nowadays.I'll make it simple for you:
ETH kick out players that don't want to play for him.
ETH bring in players that DO want to play for him.
Get it??
Yes, we definitely need to do what was done at Arsenal. Whether that's with ETH or not; we need to back someone to do it. Enough is enough at this point.
