so if it's a close 1-0, 2-0 defeat and we play okay, he stays
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
According to Ten Hag we are playing fine, so all good.
Hes not going to come out and say we suck and are playing shite is he.
Of course we're going to lose, the question on everyone's mind is can we keep it below 3-0.
If he did people would come out and say he shouldn't be saying it. Can't win
It’s a bit concerning that every time he has a winner with a strong mentality in his squad, he wants to cut ties with them.
Use them to make you stronger surely
Use them to make you stronger surely
Fee like we’re arteta’s Arsenal of 3-4 years ago where they were clearing all the ageing, overages stars (aubemeyang, Pepe) and had several youth players just emerging like Saka.
clear all the ageing, lazy stars (martial) and overrated players (rashford, lindelof,Maguire) and just let the younger ones (mainoo, Garnacho, Hannibal, hojlund) play and gain EPL experience
clear all the ageing, lazy stars (martial) and overrated players (rashford, lindelof,Maguire) and just let the younger ones (mainoo, Garnacho, Hannibal, hojlund) play and gain EPL experience
Like who?
Ronaldo, Casemiro and Varane are pretty much the only elite successful players they’ve had since he came in and it seems they’ll all be gone within 18 months if he gets his way.
Has the average age of our squad gone down since he signed? I’d be interested to see that. I feel like he’s not really cleared out Lindelof, Maguire or Rashford, though we were obviously happy to let Harry go.
Murtough wont be sacking him when he knows he's going to be sacked himself by the end of January.
Wont make his last action being involved in sacking his manager pick.
Wont make his last action being involved in sacking his manager pick.
Indeed. If anything the young players aren't really trusted or put in positions to succeed.
Don't know how anyone can defend Ronaldo's 2nd season antics.. he refused to come on vs. Spurs, stormed off the pitch before 90th minute in another game and in the end ETH still made him captain in one of his last games, Ronaldo just wanted out. I think Casemiro is just paper talk and will stay, saw a story today on twitter we want to keep him amidst interest from PSG, Varane is just a matter of his injury proneness that coincided with Maguire's form of a lifetime and a possibility to cash in on a player that's unavailable half the time. Then there's a question if letting Varane and Casemiro would solely be his decision or a financial one from within the club.
The fact that an "annihilation" is even considered as a possibility, and everyone expects us to get battered, shows just how utterly shit we are and therefore what an abysmal job Ten Hag has done here. We have one of the most expensive and highest paid squads in world football yet we're here with the mentality of fecking Luton.
Enough of this shit already. Murtough and Ten Hag should be binned off
Agree 100% with this.
When it comes to the point that you expect to get beat without even a small fight against all of the top 6 teams you are screwed.
What would even constitute "annihilation" these days?
The aggregate score over the last four league meetings is 17-2 to Liverpool.
Fans with realistic expectations shouldn't be expecting a battering. Only cry babies, pathetic idiots and morons are crying about a potential annihilation. Liverpool aren't playing that well, they're coming from behind and scraping wins. It's just ptsd from the 7-0 and deep down, they're just wanting a bad result, so they can continue to bash ETH and the club. But also they're mostly afraid of having to put up with the bs at work on Monday from a smug Liverpool fan.
I don't expect Utd to get beat, I expect a 3-1 win.
“if they lose badly”
“barring an annihilation”
Grim stuff to read, fecking hell.
“barring an annihilation”
Grim stuff to read, fecking hell.
The sane fans will read that and see that standards are in the gutter these days. The Ten Hag fan club will be celebrating anything like a maximum of 3-0 Liverpool as it saves their man
Where does this perception come from?
Many managers have expressed disappointment with their team's performance, in fact I remember virtually all of them - Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Fergie etc. - at one point or another criticizing their teams, yet somehow ETH apparently is not allowed to do it.
I think he just lacks charisma and character to do that or is genuinely happy with the way we play.
We are literally the worst equipped team to handle Liverpool with our lack of midfield, slow defenders and inability to keep the ball, and ETH is probably the coach I'd trust the least in terms of coming up with a feasible plan to handle them. Our only upside is that he cannot play Bruno so may be forced to go with a less suicidal approach than the last time out, if Bruno were available this would be a guaranteed 4-0/5-0 thrashing (it probably still will be). There's nothing wrong being realistic about capacity of your team.
Ten Hag has done this a lot this season too. He has said many times that we needed to focus more, and play good for 90 minutes not 60 minutes etc. You can't keep saying it though, it needs a balance.
It's doom mongering and misery not realism.
When he heard that fee then should have looked elsewhere,however clearly didn’t have a backup plan for a rip off price
Yep I don't remember it being as widely accepted that we were going to lose badly even when Liverpool were at their peak a few years ago. This is rock bottom in terms of how good our team is perceived to be.
We are an open fecking book for any manager who cares to read it (apparently Poch didn't) and that needs to stop
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...86aidl5IVioCSAfLJ5zJfEee7a79zvzyabdgWQJqE_btI
Chelsea had free reign in midfield just like everyone else, they just repeatedly gave the ball away in transition
Last 2 results at Anfield were 4-0 and 7-0
We haven't scored a goal there since 2018
Our last league result was a 0-3 defeat at home to a bottom half side that could've easily been worse
4-0 certainly seems more realistic than a 3-1 right now.
This and what Tuchel said during week, sums up how we are.
Everyone will know how to play against us.
We have got away with few results as some of games we have actually won this season we have been open and gave changes to them teams who just wasn't ruthless enough.
Think this will still be the case going in to rest of games if we don't shore up that midfield and play 2 holding midfielders instead of leaving Amrabat or Casemiro on their own with 2 other midfielders wondering forward.
So we are the Arsenal of old...
Try to play tiki taka.. lose ball..counter. goal
Isn't that what we did to Arsenal all those years
Our delusional manager talk tough, saying he respect Liverpool but we are not afraid of them and we will aim to take a result at Anfield. Once Liverpool scores first, we will rollover just like any other game. Post game, he will say we started well and unlucky to concede and we had some good period in the match. Repeat and rinse from our delusional manager.
A record that needs to broken.
I wouldn't have thought so. Until Mainoo made his debut about what, 3 weeks ago, the youngest midfielder we had in the side is McTominay at 27.
We're at the point as United fan's where if we're beaten 10-0 this weekend, absolutely no one will say they're surprised it happened. That's how far the standards of this club have fallen and the level of expectation at the club. Even with caretaker managers we wouldn't expect to be hammered at Anfield. £400m spent, 14 players signed and here we are in as little as 18 months.
Pretty much what a lot of teams did to Arsenal during Wengers last few years.
We need Vini Jr for this one, I'm afraid. Last time he was there he absolutely toyed with Liverpool.
You said you expect us to win 3-1. Not realism either.
In fairness this goes back to Ole and Ralf's time here, they both had some terrible defeats to Liverpool and I think the players have to have some accountability but yes we haven't changed that mentality.
I think back to how god awful Liverpool were in 99 and yet they were hell bent on giving us a game and stopping our treble even with their two best players missing (Fowler and Owen). Even with our injuries there has to be some pride and some acknowledgement from the players that this hurts the fans and should hurt them as players. Prove us fecking wrong please
Except we're not doing any of that.
True enough. But I prefer to be optimistic and be disappointed about the result, rather than be miserable, expect a battering just so I can somewhat happy I was right.
Liverpool can be got at and do give away chances. There will be chances to score, just need to take them when they come.