Has it been any different all season regardless of who's making up the back 4?
The video basically highlights that this has been a trend in our defending all season.
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The video basically highlights that this has been a trend in our defending all season.
The goals, which are equal to this season? I’m curious as to what stats prove that we were more open defensively in a season where we conceded the same amount of goals, fewer shots, and had an XG against after 38 games that was five goals lower than it is now after 32?
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It was pretty clear that Garnacho didn't have any injury and he was pissed off at the sub, not sure why Ten Hag feels the need to say this to defend himself. He's allowed to sub him off and to me it was partially as a response to the twitter stuff, but also ... No need to make shit up.
Antony probably never had it.
I did say this in the last response. “ Still comparably we were not far more open than ever this season”
His quote "for me, 4 cup finals in 4 years" felt like one out the Mourinho handbook. (Although wouldn't it be 5 finals in 4 years if he included the League Cup?)
Does seem to me like someone who is defending his stock
Isn't that the season where De Gea was statistically one of the worst shot stopper in the league?
Yep, Garnacho looked fine. Definitely not being honest with us.
That’s the point though. There are no positional relationships or patterns because the players keep changing.
Obviously every player plays a different way and has different strengths and weaknesses compared to others in the same position. They won’t all react to situations the same as each other. This has an impact on the quality of our play.
It’s possible Garnacho was pissed about getting injured?
Yeah that's a good point.
That is very Mourinho, to start bringing up your individual record to defend yourself.
If you think he looked injured you need your eyes checked.
Nah that reaction was 100% the reaction of a guy who is fuming but knows he has to respect it because of the recent shit, and feeling like he's singled out because of that
So it’s the word “far” you are contesting? Basically you now agree that we are more open than ever and it’s just the degree to which we’re more open you’re arguing with?
That is no different from any team in world football. And it's still not an excuse for why regardless of personnel we play the same and have the same issues.
I don’t no but not something I wanted to continue a debate about so conceded its closer than I thought. The xGA for those seasons also supports that.
That only makes sense if for some reason ETH and his staff only work with 10 players at a time and only include the rest of the team to training sessions and video sessions if one of the ten is out.
We could play the same back 4 10 games in a row and we'd be as bad. The entire team has been making the same mistakes all season.
We are probably going to get to 57 goals conceded this year anyway, only difference being we got there that year despite having a lower xGA and this year it will be the opposite with our xGA hitting well above 60.
We weren't seeing these huge gaps last season because we were still playing a very similar system to what we had under Ole. A 4231 that was mostly counter-attacking.
ETH changed formation and style this season to a 4141 with a huge gap between the back four and the attacking five, with one player expected to patrol that entire area by himself. Right from the very start of the season it has caused the exact same issues that we are seeing today. No matter what players were on the field and no matter who our opposition was.
I like that he's getting a bit more aggressive with the media. Probably could have done with that earlier in the season.
Injuries are very bad but there still should be enough to beat Sheffield United- although I can see it being another horrible game and dropped points wouldn't surprise me
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Injuries are very bad but there still should be enough to beat Sheffield United- although I can see it being another horrible game and dropped points wouldn't surprise me
.Yeah, if my team had just thrown away a 3-0 lead against Championship opposition in a Wembley semi-final and had relied on a very tight VAR offside call and a penalty shoot-out to avoid total humiliation, I would probably reel it in a bit.
We will be above 60 during the next 90 minutes.
No it doesn’t. For example, Do you think AWB operates the same at left back as Shaw? Does Amrabat? Does Dalot? No they don’t because each player has differing skill sets and abilities - and to a certain extent will interpret the managers instructions differently. Like I said, this will cause a change in how each player reacts to any given situation and will make for an unpredictable environment for team mates compared to a set back 4 who know each others game inside out.
It’s not a well oiled machine is what I’m trying to say.
I tend to avoid this thread due to dog piles like these, but I'll indulge for now.
Obviously. Nobody has stated otherwise.
Plenty of managers are in that position or close to it, loads of clubs nowadays bring in players that they deem well suited for a particular style of play and the manager fits into that. It isn't put together exactly by them, but it is assembled with their style in mind. Hopefully after a few years under the INEOS regime we'll be in a similar position. Right now we're nowhere near.
It absolutely can do, if the drop off in quality is enough. In the case of Martinez, I'll give you that he's a Ten Hag player, but Kane to Hojlund is obviously not equivalent, nor is De Jong to Casemiro, both club signings that were offered when Ten Hag's target didn't work out.
Neville has said that at the weekend 8-9 of the starters would be in our best team. He's not wrong. Shaw, Martinez and Varane are the only first teamers missing the last few weeks.
Obviously if Garnacho, Rashford and Bruno are unavailable then yeah fair enough we are missing half our full strength team.
I've got one bit of sympathy ETH and that's the unsettled back 4 all season. Before people start shouting every clubs had injuries etc, I don't think they've all been in the back line?
But he bought a keeper who's not very good imo he bought a CM who been out more than in.. he was injured at Chelsea so how the feck did he pass a medical?..
ETH bought Antony , Swansea got a player called Ronald he's better that Antony , D James is better than Antony. Eth bought him . The guys got to go for signing those players mentioned.
Utd needed a CB everyone new it , he doesn't buy one . The guys done nothing to say he can keep his job, I wanted to give him another season but I think the players have had enough as well..
Hojlund Garnacho , Mainoo are the future and I'd say Dalot who's had a very good season in a poor side as well the rest mediocre .. a new manger as long as its not Southgate could get more out of these guys.
But he bought a keeper who's not very good imo he bought a CM who been out more than in.. he was injured at Chelsea so how the feck did he pass a medical?..
ETH bought Antony , Swansea got a player called Ronald he's better that Antony , D James is better than Antony. Eth bought him . The guys got to go for signing those players mentioned.
Utd needed a CB everyone new it , he doesn't buy one . The guys done nothing to say he can keep his job, I wanted to give him another season but I think the players have had enough as well..
Hojlund Garnacho , Mainoo are the future and I'd say Dalot who's had a very good season in a poor side as well the rest mediocre .. a new manger as long as its not Southgate could get more out of these guys.
Because it’s been changing all season! That’s the entire point!!
So he does know how to be defensive!
Yeah weaksauce to only push back when your job is in danger and you feel like you need some self preservation. If he had shown more steel with the media and players and some self reflection we wouldn't be in this mess.I like that he's getting a bit more aggressive with the media. Probably could have done with that earlier in the season.
Injuries are very bad but there still should be enough to beat Sheffield United- although I can see it being another horrible game and dropped points wouldn't surprise me
He did say that Bruno and Garnacho will probably be ok. We should be ok against Sheffield United.
Sorry mate, you can't watch the way this team has played all year and disregard the continual failures in basic structure and defending and blame it all on injuries.
We've had a settled midfield and attack for months. Same mistakes and suicidal play is happening, regardless of the opposition.
My first thought was that he was lying too, after the criticism of the sub. Funny how he said he came off injured but will be ok for the game tomorrow.
No it doesn't. The patterns of play of teams are based on the tactical backbone it doesn't actually change from one player to the other, now all the players are trained and coached to understand the general assignments of their position/role and also the general assignments of their closest teammates, then they also have alternate and emergency positions/roles, they don't just learn and train in their main position. All of that is trained and drilled from preseason to the end of the season.
And players do not individually interpret managers instructions, they are taught instructions and they are told how to interpret them on the field based on their own tapes and tactical sessions. They are also told how their teammates are supposed to apply and interpret them.
Wasn't even aware it was there already. Bottom line is we have been extremely lucky to have only conceded 48 so far, with Onana pulling off numerous amazing saves and conceding very few savable goals in the league. Also bear in mind we conceded way more in CL than we did in 2021-22 where we only conceded 8 (vs whopping 15 this year). It's bonkers to think we are less open and better defensively this year.
We'll pull off an impressive 3-2 win against the odds again, and ETH will be a hero once again.
Where do you think we would finish this season if he had his dream team available?
Yep. We'll turn another corner tomorrow night.
None of these processes and highly thought of individuals are infallible. I’d hope United fans know better than just following or trusting any and everything served by the club just because “it’s different now, it’s coming from INEOS”. It’s important that fans form their own opinions based on available evidence and what’s observable.
Who are these plenty of managers and which clubs brings that many players after two years that you could say that it's the manager's team? And has that ever been the case for ETH?