UnofficialDevil
Anti Scottish and Preoccupied with Donkeys.
"He's talking himself out of a job"
I'd say Everton away and West Ham at home have been our only convincing League wins all season, arguably Villa at home too. The win against Sheffield was only our second league win since February.Of all the games against the bottom 10 sides we've looked convincing once, away at Everton. This isn't the sign of a side in transition, this is the sign of a poor team. We're played Coventry and Newport and couldn't dominate them.
It's time for a change
Everton away and West Ham at home were convincing results, but weren't a 3-0 performances imo and could've finished different on another day. 2nd half against Villa at home was good, Chelsea at home as well though they were shockingly bad. Luton away was a 2-1 win but should've scored 4 or 5 there with the chances we had.I'd say Everton away and West Ham at home have been our only convincing League wins all season, arguably Villa at home too. The win against Sheffield was only our second league win since February.
Bleak.
This is what I don't understand about Ten Hag's current group of supporters. He has spent close to £400m. Buy the players you need to play your system. Don't waste money on over-priced players, ageing players and players that don't fit your system. This is mind-blowing managerial (and Director of Football) incompetence.It needs players that can cope with defensive transitions. Do we have them?
We've only played well half a dozen times this season. Rarely for an entire game.Everton away and West Ham at home were convincing results, but weren't a 3-0 performances imo and could've finished different on another day. 2nd half against Villa at home was good, Chelsea at home as well though they were shockingly bad. Luton away was a 2-1 win but should've scored 4 or 5 there with the chances we had.
Think we played well with Martinez and Shaw this year.Our season is really easy to sum up. First half of the season, we were so easy to play against conceding many chances but managed to stay in a respectable position thanks to some individual moments. Second half of the season, it was more of the same with the slight improvement of creating more chances and scoring more goals. If playing well means controlling the majority of a game and looking dangerous whereas nullifying your opponent to one or two chances all game, I really can't think of a single one if I am honest, Chelsea and West Ham are the ones that come closest.
You're delusional or have some sort of connection with Ten Hag.I disagree. We’re scoring a lot more goals now. Defence and holding midfield needs improvement but injury has made it hard to judge how much of that is tactical and how much is a personnel issue. I think it’s personnel.
I'd be all for giving him time IF there were signs on the pitch and behind the scenes that things were improving even if we were 6th. Unfortunately, we are getting worse.Not sure I entirely agree about SAF being this "once in a lifetime" talent as I think it's more complicated than that.
SAF's first full season with United was 1987/88. We had five full seasons with SAF before we won the title and two of those seasons we finished 11th and 13th.....13th!! Fergie would not have kept his job in today's climate. That season we finished 13th we also ended up with a minus goal difference.
My point is that without backing SAF then we would never have had those glory years that turned into an era. My point does not offer solutions-it only creates more confusion as it might mean we need to find a manager to hang our hat on and stick with him. For the record, I am not sure ETH is that man.
Loads of nonsense. Low quality shots my foot! Having just watched us vs Burnley, we were pathetic. It was a match between equals rather than between a 6th placed team and relegation fodder. Your vehement defending of the fraud is getting as absurd as his excuses for the garbage his team puts out on the pitch game after game.I’ve shown earlier how we’ve already improved by a goal per game extra in attack from the start of the season to now. We are averaging 2.3 goals for per game. With an inexperienced front 2/3. That’s impressive.
We now need to sort out exactly what we all can see and what Ten Hag has also been saying defence and midfield which can only properly happen with better players. Evans, Lindelof, McTominay are never going to be the guys.
I disagree. Did you know for example even Antony is in the top 10 chance creators for wingers in the big 5 leagues?
He doesn’t decide the fee and the fee for the likes of Antony isn’t his fault. He initially wanted a striker, was told we couldn’t get one so settled for another wide option. The clubs inability to negotiate shouldn’t be on Ten Hag. I also maintain there wasn’t a clearly better left footed RW option that would have joined us that window.
Hardly Ten Hags fault that we lost Greenwood and so were desperate for forward options.
So why don’t we finally hold the player accountable and improve that aspect first. Otherwise we replace Ten Hag and it’s another clean slate for them. The personnel are not good enough.
When Ten Hag’s team have sat back deeper and relied on blocks everyone here is moaning about the shots conceded (irrespective of the fact they are low quality, rarely make it on target and aren’t the same as conceding big chances).
For what it’s worth @RedRocket08 I think you’re completely reasonable to believe all of what you have said.
He won the Bundesliga because Dortmund bottled it on the last day. He was widely criticised all season for it.
Winning with PSG is hardly an achievement.
I know, but still.Everyone in here will tell you they’re all shit mate. All money was wasted etc.
Decent apart from that deluded Marcel guyUnited Stand is bland and terrible. If I was to watch a Man United youtube channel, I'd go the United View, it can be good laughs at times
He is WUMing.you’ve gotta be related to ETH somehow
While I largely agree that our goal scoring isn’t coming from a clear tactical plan; I don’t think we can be described as clinical either. Just the game against Burnley we should have scored 2-3 first half goals and had none. Against Sheffield we should have had 2-3 early as well.I think we have not been good going forward even after January, yes. Many games where we scored despite not really creating much and completely against the run of play - the goal at City, both goals against Liverpool, both goals against Bournemouth, both goals against Villa.
We have hardly been breathtaking going forward, just very clinical at finishing the half chances we’ve had and quite lucky as well.
There has been improvement but that’s because prior to January we were beyond abysmal in virtually every single game.
A lot of the xGa since January is going be penalties. They are what 0.80 each?It doesn’t make sense to just take the defence out of the equation. Football is also about balance. If you attack in a way that leaves you so open that you concede even more chances at your own end (which is what’s happening, we’re at 2.2 XGa since January and have ‘won’ the XG six out of 14 times), it’s no use.
But we only really create all these chances against poor opposition, the last two games were against bottom two teams (one of which has historically bad defensive record and are already relegated), in games against teams that are actually good we struggle to create anything. We did not have a shot (even off target) against Liverpool in the first half and scored two wonder goals, we got 2 goals at Bournemouth from basically our only two chances, we scored 3 goals at Chelsea from an xG of 1.5, scored at Brentford from our only decent chance, scored at City from our first shot, scored 3 against West Ham from an xG of less than 1.While I largely agree that our goal scoring isn’t coming from a clear tactical plan; I don’t think we can be described as clinical either. Just the game against Burnley we should have scored 2-3 first half goals and had none. Against Sheffield we should have had 2-3 early as well.
We miss loads of chances and it’s been a part of why we don’t put games to bed although we’ve shown we can throw away multi-goal leads as well.
Believe me if I could speak to you about it face to face then you would have with me. I lost any support for him after that Anfield battering last March.What I still find funny is I haven’t spoken to a United fan, face to face, that’s actually desperate for ETH to be let go. Most seem to think another season wouldn’t be the worse given where the club is at. I’m still at that point , wouldn’t complain if he was let go but understand there’s other reasons why we’d keep him.
Agreed 100%This fecking guy He must be a on massive WUM
What I still find funny is you probably made that shit up just to win an internet debate. Surely you @BenitoSTARR and @Berbaclass are WUMsWhat I still find funny is I haven’t spoken to a United fan, face to face, that’s actually desperate for ETH to be let go. Most seem to think another season wouldn’t be the worse given where the club is at. I’m still at that point , wouldn’t complain if he was let go but understand there’s other reasons why we’d keep him.
Adds nothing to discussion. Is there something you’d like to debate about the points and facts I’ve raised?Comunicado Oficial can’t come soon enough. The other ones have slyly and slowly backed away from the Ten Hag ledge - but we need to put Benito out of a job, man. He’s clocking triple shifts in this thread with this farce.
Neither of those.You're delusional or have some sort of connection with Ten Hag.
There is no cohesion at all in our build up and whatever goals we score are about individual moments rather than sustained pressure or team play.
As for the defence and mIdfield, it is 100% tactical. We have chasm between the midfield and defence. Our pressing lacks coordination. Even a team as poor as Burnley was able to create really good chances with just a few passes. All this has been true from early on in the season when we did not have injuries.
With this group of players, under a good manager we'd finish fourth. Under Ten Hag, we are lucky to be 6th. The expected points table suggests we should be 15th
I'd be all for giving him time IF there were signs on the pitch and behind the scenes that things were improving even if we were 6th. Unfortunately, we are getting worse.
Loads of nonsense. Low quality shots my foot! Having just watched us vs Burnley, we were pathetic. It was a match between equals rather than between a 6th placed team and relegation fodder. Your vehement defending of the fraud is getting as absurd as his excuses for the garbage his team puts out on the pitch game after game.
Lazy, poor post this. What exactly is incorrect about what I’ve said?He is WUMing.
There is always one on RC.
Glaston, Santi in F1, Amadeus, now this one. And then you have parachuter from today who landed and called Liverpool fans best in the world while we are worst.
Exactly why?Agreed 100%
What I still find funny is you probably made that shit up just to win an internet debate. Surely you @BenitoSTARR and @Berbaclass are WUMs
I'd go more with "concerning" than "funny" if that's the case but alright.What I still find funny is I haven’t spoken to a United fan, face to face, that’s actually desperate for ETH to be let go. Most seem to think another season wouldn’t be the worse given where the club is at.
What am I wumming about exactly?Agreed 100%
What I still find funny is you probably made that shit up just to win an internet debate. Surely you @BenitoSTARR and @Berbaclass are WUMs
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Ajax is a mess and Bosz is flying through the league with PSV. I don't think Ajax has that much pull for him at the moment.Ajax should get Bosz back instead.
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Bayern will almost certainly be in for him. Barcelona just extended Xavi but I can see them backtracking on that if they learn that ETH is available.The only issue with Alex Kroes' plan is those Barca and Bayern jobs that Erik is a top contender for. Don't think those clubs would let go of the historic opportunity to appoint one of the GOAT's.
Shhh ffs!Ajax should get Bosz back instead.
Totally agree. There's no chance he gets an extension at United and arguably the only reason INEOS don't move him on is if they feel they need more time to get the executive team ready. It's a sensible outcome for both sides.Given the current state of affairs, I think it'd be mad for him not to return to Ajax.
It's just a case of who will instigate it. Will Ten Hag swallow his pride and willingly leave United to join Ajax or will United have to push him. If so, how soon are United willing to do that.
Whatever way it happens, it should happen. Hard to believe that Ten Hag wouldn't be content (and even probably relieved) to go back to Ajax.
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