Think this is a huge problem.
Rather than players complimenting each others strengths, Utd have a team where you're constantly trying to compensate for short comings all over the pitch.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Rather than players complimenting each others strengths, Utd have a team where you're constantly trying to compensate for short comings all over the pitch.
But not on Ten Hags comments, that's just your own interpretation and I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with that interpretation either mate. But we don't know if that's what Erik meant though. In the context of football and especially a midfielder. When you say someone is a cretive player that usually means that they are a good passer, create chances for others etc. I think it's fair to say most people wouldn't describe McTominay as that type of player.
Do you mean you or Erik?
There's nothing wrong in praising a player doing well, if they actually are doing well and the praise tracks with reality. I'd find it equally odd if Ten Hag was praising Maguire for his pace or Wan Bissaka for being great on the ball. Considering a lot of Ten Hags comments recently don't exactly line up with reality I think he may just be bullshitting to justify his decision to bring McTominay on for Mainoo. He's gone into full reputation preservation mode.
Why would these three be leaving on free transfers?
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Some people want a mass clearout and a new squad every summer.
Varane too, he's contracted until 2025.
Probably sounded better in your head.
Right enough yeah.
ESPN has him contracted until 2024 with an option of a further year that we as of yet we have not triggered.
Pretty sure the extra year is a +1 type deal and we haven't activated it and are trying to bring him back on reduced wages otherwise he is a free this summer The Athletic have reported this also confirmed on ESPN
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...-not-trigger-varane-contract-extension-source
Isn't it 2024 but we're not taking his +1 right?
By joining us ETH has missed the opportunity to manage Bayern. Let’s be honest if he was still at Ajax, Bayern would want him, Liverpool would be interested, Chelsea would show interest. He could have probably got the Barca job.
Because he did it in FM. It’s not grounded in reality
I’ve wanted us to try Martinez at DM but due to having lack of quality at CB we can’t afford to. He’s certainly an option we have though if we buy another quality CB this summer. Martinez is good on the ball and good at passing so would probably excel in DM.
There problem is that the players that were worth keeping two years ago, have become deadwood under this manager. As have most of his signings.
Maybe we should be paying him compensation for ruining his career and making him lose those opportunities?
Or maybe he came to a big club from a farmers league, brought in the players he wanted and failed, proving he is not good enough at the top level.
Maybe we have to look back at his Ajax tenure and ask whether it was him, or a generational group of Ajax players that managed to get the the CL semis in 2019?
Name them?
Despite not really knowing the role, he's not mobile enough for a DM and, if fit, he's our best CB so why move him? He comes into midfield anyway from CB so you get his passing ability from that kind of area without needing to reposition him.
Our forum loves these ideas, Lindelof at DM ("he played there once!"), Lukaku at RW, Antony at LB etc. We just need a DM.
Casemiro, Eriksen, Antony, Malacia, Mount, Amrabat
Why would you spend billions of your own money and then sit on your hands and watch it all get pissed away? Never understood the abused housewife sentiment from United fans.15 goals against in 5 games
He’s not. His deal is up in the summer but we have the option for an extra year if we want to, which we won’t unless he agrees a massively reduced contract
We've signed 16 players in total, including ones we paid money for, free transfers and loans.
6/16 is not most.
You don’t know if it would work without trying. He’s more comfortable on the ball than Casemiro. Casemiro just has tackling over Martinez. I agree he’s our best CB so don’t need to move him. Was just a thought for the short term not the long term.
Ah right, because the two loaned reserve keepers, and Reguilon, and Weghorst, were certainly useful squad editions that improved us on the pitch.
The majority of his signings have been so shite in terms of squad building that Sabitzer, Evans and Bayindir are 3 of his top 6.
Yep. Started all of the way back with spending 80m on a CB that lacks the pace to defend high up the pitch. Has been going on at multiple positions since.
You included Amrabat and Eriksen so I thought it was important to state that it wasn’t the majority.
Yeah I fear they may buy into his deflecting blame tactics too but hopefully I am proved wrong
If Rangnick can manage us then go onto Bayern, so can ten Hag.
A big majority of them either haven't contributed, will not contribute going forward, or did not contribute relative to what was paid for them.
Or even worse, if you change the question to something like, 'with hindsight would we make this signing again?', even Onana, Hojlund and Martinez arguably dont tick that box. We could certainly have done better with the money on those 3 spent elsewhere.
Ask that question end of last season though and many would be more positive repsonses.
Ask it again end of next season and you might well have people getting slated for doubting Martinez, Hojlund, Mount etc.
Football is a fickle old game and there's always hindsight when things don't go perfectly but really his only 'bad' signing has been Antony (although he was good in his limited way first season, the price is just awful) with Mount being a bit of an unknown.
Has that been confirmed? What I meant was ETH stock would have decreased. I personally still think he’s a good manager but they’ll be owners and fans out there that look at his last job and will hold this against him.
The ones you mentioned did. Weghorst, 31 games. Reguilon, 12 games in his half-season. Sabitzer and Evans also played quite a fair bit, 18 games in 6 months for Sabitzer and 25 games for Evans.
I would say they have all added to the squad.
Yeah it's all fantasy stuff.
I was going off the reports.
I think it’s a combination of lack of maturity to admit being wrong and the inability to see things in shades of gray rather black and white.
‘Once you’ve established your position, it takes some self confidence and a certain level of maturity to admit you were wrong.
I was really optimistic about Ten Hag last season and absolutely excited for his 2nd season in charge. That changed after several months of really crap football.
‘There’s no point in Man United even existing as a club unless we are challenging for trophies every season. We’re too big with an incredible history. When you’ve made a mistake, you fix it and move on. I think it’s ridiculous that we don’t have more of a Real mentality that it’s basically ingrained into the culture that you come to Man United to win. If you are fine with winning a cup now and then or playing in Europa, you should be at Everton or Spurs or West Ham.
Yes, agree, he should go, and I prefer before the FA Cup final.
Only DDG and Fred were really nailed on first team starters for the most part, the rest were either on the bench, injured or out on loan.
That would have depended entirely on how Ajax would have dealt with the decimation of their squad. If ETH had stayed and Ajax had failed as spectacularly as this season anyway, his star would have diminished quite quickly.
Unfortunately for Ten Hag, Rangnick has a body of work behind him that’s strong enough to ignore 6 months in Manchester.
We've had reports every year that say we won't have a lot of money to be fair
Based on what? When was the last time a coach from Holland landed a big job in another European league that’s better than the Dutch league?
Let’s be honest, we were only looking at Ten Hag because the likes of Zidane, Pep, Klopp and Enrique weren’t available.
Winning a title in a league where your team has better funding than 13 other teams combined from the same league isn’t something that gets the elite juices flowing. Ten Hag only gathered interest due to his CL exploits and even then it was arms length interest. The big boys don’t like it when you go 3-0 up and bottle a result unfortunately, something Ten Hag is fluent in.
I know there’s probably an alternate reality where Ten Hag is the next Fergie, or Pep, or Ancelotti, and I know some of you really, really want that to be true, but he just isn’t it, and he won’t get another top job outside of Holland after this stint.
I’d also like to remind you that Tottenham Hotspur of all teams turned him down, but nah, Barcelona and Bayern would have been well up for a bit of baldie no midfield magic.
Inter hired De Boer.
