Like 0-3 Bournemouth back in dec?We didn't really run under Ole when times were hard. Ole actually got thumped 4-0 vs Everton if I'm not mistaken, when he has his high as caretaker
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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He has a feck ton of injuries and is still broadly churning out results in the new year.
When you have this many injuries I honestly can't give a feck how we play as long as we defend well, create enough and show effort and commitment. We are doing all of these things, and I'm fine with that given the circumstances.
So, one person?
These comparisons with Ole are just pointless. Our football is shite now, was shite under Ole and was shite under Jose. All 3 had decent spells here and there but that's about it.
Erik post match bingo:
We created a lot of chances
We stuck to the plan
We have made progress
Heh
We created a lot of chances
We stuck to the plan
We have made progress
Heh
Yeah, if Bournemouth weren't a team battling relegation. Ole had more form for it, got smashed 4-1 by a bottom of the side Watford in his final game.
I spent more time browsing the cafe during the second half compared to watching the actual match. The banter here is more entertaining than what is happening on the pitch.
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This is worse than Ole, we went to Newport County, 16th in League 2 and they gave us a game with the first team out. He should have been sacked after the 7-0 loss to a struggling Liverpool side last year.
Ten Hag gets more grace because he was the internet hipster choice, and just like Sancho the guy's flopped hard.
Eh? Do you read my posts properly?
I see Ole styles of late, but ten hag is resorting to it when he's at his worst, whereas this style of football is Ole at his best. That's my point
The difference here is more our commitment and effort levels, and organisation in the back 4 is way better than Ole when he was at his lows.
When we will finally get a manager, who actually wants to keep the ball and can coach some semblance of a consistent strategy and style? 
Every game is like torture for all the faith we've shown you last season. The ONLY upside is that I look at Arteta/Arsenal and that we've all failing to see genius turn around.
Every game is like torture for all the faith we've shown you last season. The ONLY upside is that I look at Arteta/Arsenal and that we've all failing to see genius turn around.
Until he learns to coach us to dominate possession, he hasn't a prayer.
He had Casemiro, Mctomminay and Mainoo in midfield and still Everton could have had 3-4 goals today, on another day. We couldn't even score in open play against this Everton side. He's not the guy to get this club back to the top, surely you don't believe we're winning titles under him.
Ole got far more 'grace'. ETH has been hammered all season.
He's likely only kept his job because of the takeover.
He also has big problems in defence and up front. The game tends to be played all over the park in case you didn't know.
I still dont know how ten hag survived december
Today was the final straw for me. Outplayed by an absolutely terrible Everton side. They walked through the midfield time after time. They had 23 shots ffs!!!!
Shockingly bad today.
Shockingly bad today.
Well done. Everton never dangerous for us. That is how we win matches without any hassel. On to the next one
It might be the last straw for you but suck it up as he's going nowhere until the end of the season at the very least.
Not being thumped by relegation sides and battling big injuries may have helped.
Hel probably get around the same points as Klopp did last year despite having worse injuries.
Proper hammered all season, Ten Hag
He does, Hojilund obviously a big miss. Martinez and Shaw also. Not denying that, but he had more than enough the field today to stop the ridiculous amounts of shots against us every single game. Surely you agree with that.
Overseeing some of absolute worst football I’ve seen in 40 years of supporting this club.
He’s absolutely useless.
He’s absolutely useless.
Bouncebackability! Love to see it
Rashford's best season by far was with ETH last year. Shaw has been great when available but injury,
Of course he has had his failures too. Sancho imploded. Rashford is much worse. Martial is still a fail. These things are not going o go in a straight line. But overall his record is far better than most. Even Maguire looks decent most days now.
His big failures for me are chasing Antony, agreeing to Mount (doubt he wanted him) and most of all, overtraining tired players. We oonly look good when the best 11 are playing. These are on him. If he gets sacked at the end of season he has to take some of the blame. But overall I want to keep him because these are also structural problems..
Fully expecting him to stay until the end of the season, but they have to make a change in the summer.
This is the worst United footballing side I've seen in 40+ years.
I don't care about shots if a bulk of those are low quality. How many of the 23 shots were actual chances?
Generally speaking though I certainly expect sides to shoot more when they see a cb at LB and a 38 year old CB retreating deep.
How do you know that they made an incorrect assessment? You do realize that a medical staff can't predict relapses, they can give you a best case scenario or an average recovery time but they can't tell you how things will 100% develop. And that's the point that I tried to make, the quote and some of the interpretations make next to zero sense, doctors are not oracles.
To be clear. When a medical staff tells you that a normal recovery for a particular condition is 6 months, they are not telling you that you will be fine in 6 months, they are giving you the typical recovery time. At an individual level that assessment never stops and the recovery time can be shorter or longer depending on each individual. Which is why I stated that unless, the player is actually fit, you can't assume that his recovery time will be over at a particular time.
The lack of ambition is staggering.
If we're being honest we've been quite poor to awful since that Cup win. Which at least poses the question were the first few months good form of his reign just down to a new managers bounce?
Bournemouth are a relegation side and also losses to West ham and Forest.
Actually i can answer my own question... the heroic 0-0 draw at anfield gave him just enough credit
You're talking results whilst most of the complaints are on the performances.Hel probably get around the same points as Klopp did last year despite having worse injuries.
Proper hammered all season, Ten Hag
It's all good grinding out games when you've got injuries, but when you've had the injuries all season you should be able to adjust to it and not be allowing 20 shots against you every single game.
There is being ambitious and being realistic
Unless you have your first XI out on the field with no injuries or suspensions you cannot possibly judge a manager. Expecting him to play good football with squad players? Don’t be ridiculous!
Bournemouth are not a relegation side. They are 12th in the league.
Liverpool almost dropped points at Forrest last week, who gives a feck? I'm not saying ten hag Is utterly perfect. I'm saying his low is no way near Oles low. That's pretty damn obvious, given his results despite the injuries.
Yep textbook example of it, getting angry and taking any slight towards the manager personally and then lashing out. You'll also see a lot of other signs of manager cult worship. For instance the minute a manager starts struggling the fingers start getting pointed at everyone but the manager. The club/board/CEO etc as well as the players are all out to get the manager (for reasons that are never explained) and the current manager is a noble hero holding back the tide of incompetence and toxicity, anything positive that does happen is down to him and him alone.
I've seen it time and time again now since SAF retired. I used to even get caught up in it myself.
This is fine, but he is a limited manager and this became obvious last year, without injures. Our run in last year was awful.
His squad management is poor too, he ran some players into the ground last year. I don't buy all those injuries are just bad luck
If you expect dominant performances with this many injuries it's a you problem. Managers that would do better simply aren't out there. I'd love to see what the latest fashionable manager does with Lindelof as CB and evans needing to fill in, whilst hojlund is injured along side a host of key defenders.
Last season he got top 3 and two cup finals winning one cup, and a very impressive win %.
Limited managers don't do that. Nothing in his career up until this season has been limited. In fact he's broadly outperformed almost every season up until this one.
Do you believe the performances from the 11 that started today and last week are the absolute limits to their potential?
Has Eth every managed to get the best out of this squad as a collective for a period in his approaching 2 seasons here?
We approach every game like a team fighting relegation. No intention of establishing control or dominating the midfield, just waiting for the opponent to make mistakes and countering.
It's madness isn't it? Let's just write off next season before it's even started just so Erik Ten Hag can see out his contract and we don't have to sack him.