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Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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It's a symptom of having one legendary manager at the helm for such a long time. A lot of our supporters still think the manager of Manchester United should have untouchable status. I remember when it all started to fall apart for Moyes and so many refused to entertain the idea of sacking him purely because we don't sack managers apparently.
I’m already ‘Southgate out’Southgate jesus fecking christ
Fanbase would turn on him extremely quickly more so than any other previous manager IMO
Ah, those were the days. We were all still filled with so much hope. "Tis but a scratch" on our path back to winning titles, we all said.
I agree. It doesn't really help that SAF didn't start hauling in trophies until couple years into his tenure, either.
Highlights can make any team and any player look fantastic. I remember very well last season
My thought about us last season was "where would we be without Rashford hitting a freak run of form?".
I've certainly found out.
One of the most irritating things about this midfield nonsense is how predictable it was. Mount as a transfer target inevitability mean a 1 DM, 2 attacking midfielders pushed on formation, and half the forum pointed out it couldn't work while that transfer was being discussed.
Last season especially up until the league cup final at least felt like we were building something. This season turns out we were building a crack/whore house with illegal fireworks in the basement.
I get your point but our attack starts at the wings. Then Bruno receives and should score from a perfect 10 position he often is - because of eth tactics - or make through ball to other attacker. But he just misses so many good opportunities and with the miss, often gives opposition the bal and starts the attack from them. But I agree, we don't have anyone else, or even fit.
Yes, demote to vice captain is the perfect solution imo too.
I don't see Nagelsman going for a conference league or UEFA league bound club when he can get a champions league job. Or maybe he likes it as German coach. It's actually my main argument now against sacking ETH: there is no world class coach available and interested to step in, not when other big jobs are tempting.
This is very true. Actually didn't he keep praising Ronaldo to bits and then bench him or sub him and infuriating him? He played that very smooth.
And what is he going to say now: we are shit, we will not win, we will stop going for wins or for champions league, my players are just the worst? That's how Lampard 'motivated' his players.
And let's face it. We only have a first choice right back in Dalot, who is now forced to play left back. The rest of the defence is being changed every game, even during the game.
We should be getting slaughtered every game and have no business being top 6 at all. Yesterday's game was much better than the Brentford beating - we scored some outstanding goals with a top 3 performing Antony but finally every punter could wheel out their 'see how bad ETH/Man United is'' article out. I don''t want him to play Bruno at all but there is nobody else and in fact, him playing 30 odd games even if I want him out he should get a statue.
We just have to put up, pray that we keep P6 (I see Newcastle overtaking us with their program, even Chelsea is now seeing us) and get some big operation like @Woziak presented. Then see how the nationals go and who knows, we spot a decent replacement coach and if not, give ETH a good summer and let's see how he starts next season.
Last but not least: maybe we should also give ETH some slack on Onana. It took a few months but at the moment he is also an outstanding player for us. The vision that de Gea needed replacement for Onana type was and is spot on
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We must walk to the right solution, not run to incorrect one. Sir JR
Yep, same as the post I quote from myself this time last year moaning how we haven’t played well for ages and it looked a mess. It was excused more last year as we were playing so often and just trying to get through games, I didn’t think it’d still be going on a year later
Yeah you have it absolutely spot on,I may be on the Erik out train but the players with a weak mentality and poor work ethic simply have to be cleared out too for this team to progress
Yeah agree with everything there. Apart from the it doesn't matter who the next manager is part although I reckon that was more tongue in cheek with regards to the point he was making that the club is not going into a marriage with managers.
That's exactly why people back managers far too much,also Fergie has to take blame for his post match speech against Swansea too
Saw a good point on Twitter that if Ten Hag is here come August that he’ll be in the last 10 months of his contract.
Certainly not ideal for anybody. But it would be extremely bold of Ineos to give him a new deal off the back of this season
Certainly not ideal for anybody. But it would be extremely bold of Ineos to give him a new deal off the back of this season
The dreaded vote of confidence. He is finished.
Absolutely should not be given a new contract offer until we see results on the pitch.
I don’t mind giving him time but next season he’s essentially got maybe 6-8 games to show improvement.
He provides some value. He's not a cancer to the dressing room, the players clearly still like him. What use is a random interim manager, essentially someone like Ole, over Ten Hag just staying? It's spending a lot of money to achieve nothing. This interim won't be the guy anyway, you just hurt our FFP position further by doing this change which gets us no closer to the top 3.
They're the only two I've seen us linked to, like I say if we start getting linked to anyone of note then I might get excited, but i'm not just going to shout for Ten Hag to go when our options for a replacement look so limited.
A very weak article from Whitwell, essentially a puff piece. Every sentence is worded as kindly towards ETH as possible. Have there been any other inside stories today about his future?
Why are INEOS only looking at manager deemed available?
Was Wilcocks available?
Was Ashworth?
Was Berrada?
For liverpools search is Alonso, Amorim, De Zerbi “available” why are we only looking at that pool?
we can go for any one at any club.
Your last point is what I think the line will be. They'll give him another year and excuse this one down to chaos around the whole club, and it'll be an easy enough decision to make because the people who would otherwise make the hard decisions aren't yet started in their jobs. They can't lead the search for the new manager. They can't be part of the discussions. So Ineos will focus on some squad building aspects and getting us in a healthier position financially and with squad age, while ten hag sees out his last year of his contract.
Games like Brentford are those that'll push the needle toward the sack more. But comebacks like against Chelsea (ignoring the collapse) then show that the squad hasn't really abandoned him like it did to Ole. I really think they will try their hardest not to sack him this summer because of the delays, and wait it out another year.
Who's not blaming him? He's been shocking this season, but there mitigating circumstances to an extent.
My point is you can't just get rid of a manager and then replace them one that has very good chance of been no better in the long term, we'd be better sticking as we are and seeing if the new setup can help Ten Hag, if it can't then we sack him and hopefully they'll be a standout candidate at that point.
Who then? i am not seeing any links at all, (other than Southgate and Potter.)
The more you think about ETH the manager, the more you see some outstanding traits and some absolutely abysmal traits.
Strengths
- He’s definitely has courage
- Promotes Youth
- Fearless
- loyal to his preferred players
- Genuinely respects the club
- Surprisingly Flexible when he’s really up against the wall
- His Domestic Cup record is excellent
- Man management skills to favoured players
Weaknesses
- Stubborn beyond reason
- Tactically inflexible most of the time
- Reeks of Nepotism and Favouritism
- Incapable of managing a complete squad
- Tactically poor in the last 20/25 mins and doesn’t know how to close out matches.
- His philosophy is very short term in his match set up and his season planning, for ETH every game is a cup final when sometimes he needs to realise, it’s ok to play for a draw in a tough away game
- Has a lot to learn especially with big club management to be considered truly Elite
- Man Management skills
- Far too rigid in team
Formation, some games require 3412 or 4232 or a flat 433 formation, Eric won’t change for no one!
The real question that only INEOS can answer is do the pros outweigh the cons to justify giving him another year to prove himself?
Strengths
- He’s definitely has courage
- Promotes Youth
- Fearless
- loyal to his preferred players
- Genuinely respects the club
- Surprisingly Flexible when he’s really up against the wall
- His Domestic Cup record is excellent
- Man management skills to favoured players
Weaknesses
- Stubborn beyond reason
- Tactically inflexible most of the time
- Reeks of Nepotism and Favouritism
- Incapable of managing a complete squad
- Tactically poor in the last 20/25 mins and doesn’t know how to close out matches.
- His philosophy is very short term in his match set up and his season planning, for ETH every game is a cup final when sometimes he needs to realise, it’s ok to play for a draw in a tough away game
- Has a lot to learn especially with big club management to be considered truly Elite
- Man Management skills
- Far too rigid in team
Formation, some games require 3412 or 4232 or a flat 433 formation, Eric won’t change for no one!
The real question that only INEOS can answer is do the pros outweigh the cons to justify giving him another year to prove himself?
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Hopefully the days of marriages to managers is over even if these "top reds" back no matter
Does that make those who want him gone “bottom reds”?
Germany won't have a poor tournament so that's probably him not becoming our manager
Why would Utd want him if Germany have a poor tournament?
I'm of the firm opinion that it doesn't matter if ETH stays or goes, most of the current squad need to feck off too before Utd will come anywhere near winning trophies consistently over a number of years.
Nagelsman (linked)
De Zerbi (linked)
Then there’s hipster choices like Nice and Girona managers who have links to INEOS and Berrada.
Southgate isn’t linked to United beyond tabloid nonsense, he’s already come out publically saying he’d like to stay at England.
My dream choice would be Ancelotti , maybe we can temp him, unlikely though.
I’d also be interested in Carrick and McKenna as head coaches.
If the new manager doesn’t work you sack him, simple.
the new structure is designed around the manager being a head coach and our signings etc suit the clubs philosophy not the managers.
Yeah that quote just about says it all about mentality at this club,there is no doubt many of this squad need to be fecked off too.
Have a sneaking suspicion of that Sir Jim and Sir David, took Julian’s phone number from Ralph Ragnarik when they met him recently. The way they’ve move so far wouldn’t surprise me if this has been
Done already but struck NDA’S are being adhered to.
Obviously ETH doesn’t know yet and this might be the reason, they are trying to recruit a young up and coming English/British coach to work as his assistant so if Germany go all the way, a new number 2 will be setting everything up from Mid June.
This is why Gary O’Neil was mentioned, wouldn’t surprise me with Ashworth contacts and Berada, they have already been asked and given input.
Watch this names very closely Lee Carsley or Steve Cooper. It’s almost like they want to keep ETH and put their own man in under him which is even worse? Or get Naigelsman to have a man in doing the work in June up to mid July 2024.
Done already but struck NDA’S are being adhered to.
Obviously ETH doesn’t know yet and this might be the reason, they are trying to recruit a young up and coming English/British coach to work as his assistant so if Germany go all the way, a new number 2 will be setting everything up from Mid June.
This is why Gary O’Neil was mentioned, wouldn’t surprise me with Ashworth contacts and Berada, they have already been asked and given input.
Watch this names very closely Lee Carsley or Steve Cooper. It’s almost like they want to keep ETH and put their own man in under him which is even worse? Or get Naigelsman to have a man in doing the work in June up to mid July 2024.
The step up is too big for Carrick or Mckenna yet,they both need to prove themselves somewhere in the Premier League before managing here
Fine, when we start getting properly linked to anyone of note then I'll get interested, but it's fairly clear there is not a standout candidate out there right now.
I know people don't want hear it, but there is definitely merit in just sticking with Ten Hag for another season.
Then explain the merit.
Doesn't read like a 'vote of confidence' to me.
Ashworth and Wilcox aren't yet in post, and they'll be the primary decision makers for hiring a new manager.
We're in the shit with FFP and it will cost us to sack Ten Hag, but he's only got a year left on his contract.
There are currently no standout candidates available to come in now or at the end of the season.
Not sure that's enough merit for me to want him to stay, but I can see the logic behind the decision if it happens.
Lack of options to replace him.
New structure to give him proper support for the first time.
Ineos deciding they want to keep would only be done if they thought he could turn it around.
He was clearly a decent manager at Ajax, and for a decent period of time for us last season.
it's been proven that sticking with managers after they take a step back can work out sometimes.
I am not even that fussed if he does go, but if he does then I want a manager that I can get excited about coming in, and not some Moyes (Potter/Southgate), or Jose (Conte/Tuchel), type manager coming in to mess things up for another 3 years.