Haven't seen the quotes but getting to a cup final isn't much of an achievement for a club the size of Manchester United. Unless you win it of course, then that is an achievement.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Overperforming? What?
When you think about it though he's sort of right, without the players individual talent turning some games our way. We probably would be in the bottom half of the table with the way we are setup to play.
He's gone full LVG
Never go full LVG!
Yes, it's usually deflection tactics.Overperforming? What?
When you think about it though he's sort of right, without the players individual talent turning some games our way. We probably would be in the bottom half of the table with the way we are setup to play.
I'm so fed up of these self serving shit coaches who just speak nonsense to defend their shit record.
Yeah having that ability to dominate and control matches should always be important,for some strange reason he just doesn't seem to value possession much.
Takes some nerve to tell the fans that they're being mislead by the press and we can't make our own opinions on football. Who the feck does this guy think he is? If anything the press were incredibly slow to pick up on the shit he served up. He's had an easy ride, much like Ole.
Sounds like a dead man walking. He knows he is gone once the final whistle of the season goes.
I really hope INEOS haven't given him any assurances then maybe we will get a decent performance or two before FA Cup Final but don't hold your breath
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Dead man walking
Unfortunately the majority of coaches will end up doing this if they feel it's their head on the chopping block.
And many people are all too happy to lap it up because they're absolutely terrified by the mere suggestion of 'player power', regardless of context.
I say it again. Rangsnick got it, you need best people in every position to fix this club. Simple statement yet no one seemed to get it. Mourinho, ETH, LvG all tried to fix it by themselves and lost their mind in the process.
Great, more quotes from the gaslighting egomaniac prick. He's become about as likable as Mourinho
Haven't taken it personally, just making a point.
Il ignore the personal jibes, you're clearly trying to wind up which says a lot more about you than me.Is this really what you’re like as a person?
True to form, you completely misunderstood a post. I didn't say that audits are full proof. I insinuated that audits made by well qualified people will be, beyond reasonable doubt, more likely to land on a more informed decision than what we, the fans think. This is because they will have a lot more information about the situation than we do.
Your point is so broken it's unreal. You're resting on an absolute number and not looking it as a % of all audits, claiming things out of your arse like "a lot of audits fail".
Theres a lot of car crashes every day, that doesn't mean people don't get into cars. What sort of nonsense logic do you have?
Ah so that's what it is. It's not actually the view that qualified people can be trusted for audits, it's more that you don't like it might give the manager another lifeline, and you want to say it's a bust..
Youve got issues mate, my audit point has feck all to do with Ten Hag. You are clearly obsessesed. I've constantly said I'm indifferent about him being sacked, and you think I'm misled about him being done. Can you actually follow posts properly? Serious question.
Again, there's no need for your concern. Nice attempt on a wind up, but your flawed logic and fake concern aren't really welcome.
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No, you don't understand. A qualified and credible appointment has a better chance of landing the right conclusion than you do.
We had twice as many games as City I think
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Sounds like he knows his time is up.
This wont end well, will it?
He's really just destroying his own credibility with this aggressive pushing of a positive narrative no one believes in. Maybe he believes it himself.
This was just posted in another thread but I thought it was worth mentioning here as, going by the opinions of the Caf at the time, people were talking as though Ajax were fantastic that season under him.
It also means that, in the last 2 and a half seasons, he's only managed to get a few good months of football out of his teams.
It also means that, in the last 2 and a half seasons, he's only managed to get a few good months of football out of his teams.
That is a fair point now you say it.
not even Mou was that delusional when he was actively trying to stir things up. First time he's entertaining. Quite funny the way he's losing it.I'm not sure what to expect tonight.
I mean, if he starts Antony ahead of Amad, just sack him before kick off.
I mean, if he starts Antony ahead of Amad, just sack him before kick off.
I mentioned that before we signed him and to me it was actually a positive because I was convinced that he wouldn't be stubborn and happily move to whatever works for his current team. Boy was I wrong?
Can those who still support Ten Hag please say so and justify. I'd like to know the reasons.
Well, in a way you weren't - he's proven to be pragmatic to a fault. Except for the "works" part, obviously.I mentioned that before we signed him and to me it was actually a positive because I was convinced that he wouldn't be stubborn and happily move to whatever works for his current team. Boy was I wrong?
He’s starting to sound like a guy who knows he’s leaving at the end of the season and is trying to save face so clubs still go for him.
Feels like yet another big night for him. Has the new management evaluating him, in theory easiest match of the season - at home - and the fans will be desperate for a performance.
No idea what people are expecting him to say with regards to the final. "Heh, yes to be honest I think given how we got here, it's a disgrace, the players and I are just embarassed really. Only doing better than all but one team in the country at this stage, it's just not good enough for Manchester United".
If you take (yet another) two AWB braindead moments, we'd all be saying how professional he navigated a tricky tie, despite huge injuries.
If we win the FA Cup final that is ALWAYS an achievement imo. There will always be at least another dozen premier league clubs who'd be happy enough with it.
No idea what people are expecting him to say with regards to the final. "Heh, yes to be honest I think given how we got here, it's a disgrace, the players and I are just embarassed really. Only doing better than all but one team in the country at this stage, it's just not good enough for Manchester United".
If you take (yet another) two AWB braindead moments, we'd all be saying how professional he navigated a tricky tie, despite huge injuries.
If we win the FA Cup final that is ALWAYS an achievement imo. There will always be at least another dozen premier league clubs who'd be happy enough with it.
No. His refusal to problem solve means that he isn't pragmatic, at least not this season.
Yeah he's in self preservation mode now. Talking himself and his achievements up, distancing himself from failure with excuses. We saw he was in trouble as early as preseason and he's never addressed it. The guy is delusional.
Despite the fact that I went out of my way to say that wasn’t what I was alluding to? The poster I quoted said we should trust the outcome of said audit and their reason for it boiled down to “because experienced people” - and I simply said experienced people get it wrong all the time/are not infallible, and concerns regarding the manager based on available and observable evidence don’t just disappear because Wilcox decides to carry on with them.
Though I’m guessing a commitment to trusting decision-making that’s at the very least questionable, because “experienced people”, isn’t completely out of form here and explains why some have been arguing in favour of a clearly underperforming manager for months.
If the decision is to keep him - what am I going to do besides posting “I’m not sure about this one”? That doesn’t mean I’m calling Wilcox a fraud or whatever you guys got heated about
Even though I want to see a replacement and voted for that, I don't have a very strong opinion on the matter (I think the injuries make a difference, even though it's not enough). I do however find it interesting that 1 in 4 still want to give him another season. It was basically 50/50 in November, so only half the people who voted to give him more time (myself included) have changed their opinion since then.
If he gets sacked here, he's probably going back to Ajax and will fade away into obscurity as a very successful manager in the Dutch league who occasionally gets his teams into the Champions League. This job breaks people, and no top club is going to take the risk that "it might be him that's the problem".
Winning the FA Cup would be over-performing? Definitely sounds like a man on the way out.
You can't expect him to win anything without Shaw and Martinez
Yet he has the cheek to talk about setting standards at the club
So, under what metric do we think he will get another season?
I can’t see Wilcox and Ashworth looking at us and thinking this is the right process.
Do they say he can stay but needs to change/adopt a different style of play?
Or, get rid.
Is there another option?
Even with fully fit squad he isn’t up to it so need tactical guidance.
His contract is an issue too. He will want a new contract before the start of the season and that could make him walk away maybe?
Really difficult situation for the club.
I can’t see Wilcox and Ashworth looking at us and thinking this is the right process.
Do they say he can stay but needs to change/adopt a different style of play?
Or, get rid.
Is there another option?
Even with fully fit squad he isn’t up to it so need tactical guidance.
His contract is an issue too. He will want a new contract before the start of the season and that could make him walk away maybe?
Really difficult situation for the club.
Liverpool, a more organised club with more time to prepare, are targeting the Aldi Ten Hag. The market is bad right now, which may still save Ten Hag.
I think we can assume that he's trying to problem solve. If anything, it's hard to see any other reason than pragmatism why we're playing the way we're playing. It's not hard to see how that is in response to the strengths and limitations of the available players. We're presumably defending deep and narrow because that's what most of our defenders does best, and putting an extreme emphasis on quick transitions in the attack because that's what our attackers are best at. But it's not working. I'd have preferred a less pragmatic approach myself.