groovyalbert
it's a mute point
I think we are reaching the point where pretty much any competent manager would do a better job than him
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He's not a manager cut out at this level.We've been saying this all season, Ten Hag would have gotten us relegated without the likes of Bruno bailing him out. However, the season ends in May so I'm not sure why he's saying that like it's only December.
You're right. The real cause of our demise is the governance of the Glazers. Most fans seem to think its about the debt. However their biggest failure has always been in not getting people in with the capacity to truly supervise our managers. They've been passive owners in a club that needed them to be active. Not simply because of greed, but in placing far too much trust on people ( CEO's and Managers) that they shouldn't have. Our managers have been going unchecked for far too long. At United, since Fergie left in 2013, no manager has:You're right,I think.PL as a whole is pretty forgiving in terms of giving managers time (if not so much in terms of its general demands on players): upper mid-table clubs in other european leagues don't seem anything like as patient, let alone the likes of Madrid etc. This does let mediocrity slide more than it should. But United are probably the worst of all for this, fuelled largely by the abject governance/oversight structure headed by those ghoulish failchildren. INEOS coming in has clearly begun to chnage certain things in terms of structure and people with track record of competency, but i'm still worried that they're going to be too lenient, seduced by 'a process', as well as being 'cool-headed rather than hasty and not throwing money after bad money' and all of SJR's messaging to that effect, to their and fans' detriment. The structure should be more important - but you still need someone with basic competencies to implement the coaching side - ETH was at least that - 'competent'- on paper but he seems to have regressed since last March, injuries or not.
If we didn't have arguably the worst batch of newly promoted sides in PL history, we'd be fighting xRelegation right now.Have we got any chance of dropping to 17th in the xG table? I know we’re currently 16th (just double checked and we've actually managed to jump up a few places to 14th). For context that’s relegation level bad, we’re statistically one of the worst teams in the league.
One of the most tragic United seasons I’ve ever witnessedIf we didn't have arguably the worst batch of newly promoted sides in PL history, we'd be fighting xRelegation right now.
Jesus take the wheelhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c3g52nee9rwo
'Under performing' Man Utd 'one of worst coached teams in league'
- This is the most defeats United have suffered in a Premier League season (13)
- United have never finished below seventh in Premier League, they are currently eighth.
- Since the start of last season, only Nottingham Forest (five) have lost more Premier League away games by a four-goal margin or higher than United (three).
- The Selhurst Park thrashing was United’s heaviest defeat of the season
- United have conceded 81 goals in all competitions this season, their most in a campaign since 1976-77 (also 81).
- They have not finished a season on a minus goal difference since the 1989-90 Division One season. They are currently on -1.
- United’s expected goals on Monday was 0.35 – their second worst of the season
Believe we need 4 more points to not hit lowest ever points tally. And I think we are finishing with a negative GD
Get him out of the club. We've done it many times this season etc? It's your responsibility then to stop it.ETH blames Mainoo indirectly in the last few seconds of the video for conceding the goal from the throw in.
This is absolutely wrong.
Is this a serious post?My ribs are sore reading this thread!
People holding up spit the dog as a bastion of wisdom, he’s so bitter we derailed their end of season parade he nearly unzipped at full time.
Sakes
We lost a game, badly. Calibrate your histrionics and outrage against what’s going on in the Ukraine and Gaza.
Some of you need to get a grip!
We're not winning the last three games. I thought this was the one we'd most likely grind out a win, half expected a loss, but not a drubbing. This will hurt morale and Brighton will want to put on a show in front of their fans in the last game.Believe we need 4 more points to not hit lowest ever points tally. And I think we are finishing with a negative GD
Well no because it's just further evidence that he's probably lost the plot and keeps second guessing his own decisions.Everyone should be happy then, no?
They're always the hero we need but not the one we deserve.The scariest part is there's people still blaming everything else except the manager.
Absolutely, because he has his excuses all lined up already. None of it will be his fault. It will have been injuries and the turmoil in the boardroom and not getting the players he wanted (despite spunking £400m up the wall on shite). And the worst part is that he WILL walk straight into another big job - be that Bayern or Ajax or somewhere else, which will only convince him further that he did nothing wrong and other clubs see that. I almost don't want him to be sacked out of pure spite. To make him see out next season and wallow in what he's created, with the knock-on effect it'd hopefully have on his career. Fantastical nonsense of course, but...
Just dont see us picking up 4 points to avoid that record. May well get 0 more. We’ll finish 8th.We're not winning the last three games. I thought this was the one we'd most likely grind out a win, half expected a loss, but not a drubbing. This will hurt morale and Brighton will want to put in a show in front of their fans in the last game.
This was another Watford yet we're in this weird position where we can't fall any lower, so he might just see out the month.
Plenty have been saying that for a long time. That's why, at the latest, we wanted an interim in a few weeks ago (though it should've been months) to give the guy enough time with the squad to prepare for the final.I think we are reaching the point where pretty much any competent manager would do a better job than him
Imagine how bad it would've been had Rashford not been on fire for half a season.73 league games played, only 110 goals scored and 98 feckers conceded + 12 GD
It’s tragic.
Never mind that embarrassing CL campaign and going out of the Europa league last season with a calamitous showing in the quarter finals. We are just a poorly coached and easy to score against mess under this man, with or without injuries.
To put some context on it in relation to goals and GD in the league.
Arsenal F178 A69 +109 GD
Newcastle F146 A89 +57 GD
Aston Villa F124 A99 +25 GD
Brighton F125 A110 +15 GD
We are totally shite and one LC win is not changing my mind. We haven’t progressed, we have regressed and after the money spent in the summer it should be untenable for any manager to survive. INEOS must act.
I’m not looking to do the “short term sugar rush of results” not sure why you think that. We agree that we have to build the club either way, but keeping Ten Hag on is fecking hilariously bad decision makingWe either build a coherent club where the coach falls in line with the overall strategy designed to succeed across a decade. Or we bring in another Jose screaming at everyone for a short term sugar rush of results. Who then doesn't get what he wants, fails and get sacked. Same old merry go round. It doesn't work.
Lisandro.-3 goal difference. How have people managed to defend this guy all season?
Li-who?Lisandro.
You absolutely don’tThe point is quite simple, every time you stick Dalot on the left back with AWB on the right you get the exact same comments on how it's absolute madness, how they should swap position, ETH is a moron for not seeing it. It's always easy and simple.
You're in pure denial.Man Utd fans have short memories. We sack Tim Hag and we are back to where we were with Ragnick.
This season has been terrible but the unprecedented injuries have played a massive part in that. Regardless of the injuries the media, pundits and rival fans are feasting over the clubs failures and our pathetic fans are buying into their glee and condemnation of our club and manager..
Our failures, not just this season but over the last decade are 100% at the foot of our owners, not Tim Hag who has had to work with utter incompetence across the club since he arrived.
The Glazers will be sitting back tonight probably not overly disappointed with Utd losing 4-0 but probably slightly relieved again that our cesspit of a fanbase will buy into the media slaughtering our manager and our club without pointing the finger of blame at the clear reason why we are where we are. .
I may be in the increasing minority here but I'm also a Utd fan of nearly 50 years and I'm dismayed by the kneejerk, impatience and fickle fanbase who once were revered and respected across the football fraternity but who have become almost as poisonous as the Glazers themselves . It certainly doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that a manager who inherited a shambles of a club has still been able to get the club to 3 domestic Cup Finals in his first 2 years, something Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson didn't come close to achieve.
Give the current Manager your support and back him. We are better than this as a fanbase.
I stepped in and took your place, comrade.Probably the most annoying thing out of this period is I got banned several times just for being negative about the guy, just to be proven absolutely right about him later on. No one will get me these needless warning points back.
Not like I want to post on RedCafe again after the way I was treated here but it's funny how out of all our post Ferguson coach, I got banned for being negative about the worst of them all.
Oh well, just wanted to say that, which will probably be the last time I ever post here.
The current events forum is more suitable for expressing your righteous outrage on Ukraine and gaza, which btw, the western governments have a big responsibility to answer for,People holding up spit the dog as a bastion of wisdom, he’s so bitter we derailed their end of season parade he nearly unzipped at full time.
Sakes
We lost a game, badly. Calibrate your histrionics and outrage against what’s going on in the Ukraine and Gaza.
Some of you need to get a grip!
Nope, that was by my request, because too many people would use it thinking they're clever when it's just a basic rhyme. The forum has been much, much better with that in place (from before he ever managed a Premier League match).The mod bias is why if you write "b@ld fraud" it comes out as Pep Gaurdiola is my idol. Turns out we were right and they were wrong and they can't stop fan opinion on the site turning against him.