Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

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Unfortunately we are once again at same end of the road with a manager.

While I defend our managers more than players and tenHag had zero luck with injuries and referee decisions it has come to a point where change is maybe on horizon. Not that it would help with this group of players but as a manager you need to adapt with what you got. Injuries have made our squad paper thin but you need to play less naive.

We've been through this so many times now that we will never get any continuity.

 

[Superden]

This quote from glasner basically buries ETH...

"It was the fourth game in a row where the other team didn't have 10 shots. This is what we want to do to control the game with a compact defensive shape," he told BBC Sport.

 

[christinaa]

I find it very despicable of Ten Hag not to go applaud the away fans after the match with our players.
He just went into the dressing rooms.

 

[Revan]

Let's be honest, Ineos is sticking with him. If they weren't he would be gone by now. It's almost as if the Glazers are still calling the shots.

Glazers would have sacked him by now. The moment the fanbase turned against a manager, Glazers sacked him. The useless fecks were reactionary.

I do not understand what Ineos are waiting. Get him out of the club, get a caretaker for the remaining 4 matches and then get a new manager in the summer. It is not rocket science.

 

[Ish]

Has he been fired yet?

 

[manichester]

The longer he stays the more detrimental to the younger players, he has to go now.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Crystal Palace moonwalk all over us and we're so used to it, it's not really the main talking point today.

Remember the days when a tonking would leave you hurt and shell-shocked for days or straight through until the next game?

The normalisation to what we've become is tragic.

I was thinking about that yesterday. When Middlesbrough thrashed us years ago it left me bewildered for months.

I was awake for about 2 hours this morning before I even remembered that we played yesterday

 

[crossy1686]

Glazers would have sacked him by now. The moment the fanbase turned against a manager, Glazers sacked him. The useless fecks were reactionary.

I do not understand what Ineos are waiting. Get him out of the club, get a caretaker for the remaining 4 matches and then get a new manager in the summer. It is not rocket science.

Even the Glazers are wondering what the feck is going on and if they were right to hand the footballing side over to INEOS to do less than they do.

 

[glazed]

The main and bleedingly obvious reason it's abysmal is the lack of structure and organisation , which is clearly on ten Hag.

I’m not looking to do the “short term sugar rush of results” not sure why you think that. We agree that we have to build the club either way, but keeping Ten Hag on is fecking hilariously bad decision making

The real problem is any new manager will have to hang in there while we overhaul the whole squad. That's a near fecking impossible task especially under the bright lights on United. I don't see that many long rebuilds successful.

You see the problem. Fans want a quick rebuild and won't accept that's not possible. Under the Glazers it wouldn't have happened because they were draining the club of funds. Under INEOS it won't happen because of FFP rules. So we are stuck with our frankenstein squad unless we are willing to swallow the pain of the transition, all while rebuilding our dilapidated facilities and stadium that mirror the state of the squad.

Sure ETH has failed. By the conventions of modern football he has to go. He will probably end up at Bayern and do really well. But his was an impossible job to do in less than five years even if we had the will to see it through rather than screaming for a new sacrificial lamb every two years. That's the real problem.

 

[Fortitude]

Seems like 90% of the Caf want him out now

Wonder if it’s the same 90% who wanted us to hire him?

Either way glad we’re not in charge.

Posts like this are indicative of a deeper-rooted issue within our fanbase. Where flags are supposed to be planted and stuck by to the bitter end.

I think many of us have been on an extremely souring journey in being elated with the appointment of this manager to the dreadful evincing process of realising just how wrong we/they were.

But everyone comes to their point of realisation of their own accord, as depressing as that is, and opinions about managers should rarely be set in stone. Only true great ones are above reproach and that comes after years and years of delivering.

 

[NinjaZombie]

It's not impossible to see that we're a poorly coached team implementing poor tactics. Any dimwit who knows anything about football can see that. We also know exactly who is responsible for coaching and tactics. We don't need to keep going deeper into club structure and analysing the IT team and accountants to come to the conclusion Ten Hag is fecking useless.

Yeah. Let's say we absolve him of our disastrous recruitment strategy and our terrible injury record that left us with the players we had available last night (not that I think we should), going into the game still with the same open midfield setup that has failed miserably this season is solely on him. No one else.

The sane thing would be to not leave an 18 year old whose defensive qualities are not there yet as the sole pivot, resulting in us exposing an injured Evans and a rash 33 year old whose legs have gone.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Posts like this are indicative of a deeper-rooted issue within our fanbase. Where flags are supposed to be planted and stuck by to the bitter end.

I think many of us have been on an extremely souring journey in being elated with the appointment of this manager to the dreadful evincing process of realising just how wrong we/they were.

But everyone comes to their point of realisation of their own accord, as depressing as that is, and opinions about managers should rarely be set in stone. Only true great ones are above reproach and that comes after years and years of delivering.

It's also a stupid post, because that same 90%(however he came up with that number) would have sacked him months ago.

There's only a few ETH defenders left at this point.

 

[adkb]

You reckon it’s an absolute shitshow but don’t realise you can’t continue with this shitshow? One of the 5 games is an FA cup final against your local rivals, please tell me how do you see that final going if you don’t take an action right now? Let the shitshow continue and get humiliated in the final? And right after that we sack him.

Yes it is a shit show, but literally every manager who has come in has met with the same fate. There is no escape. These players aren't going to turn up just cause we get someone interim. They will half ass it cause they know this manager will leave too.

I would start benching players who are playing shit, let the youth play, support the manager if I was INEOS. I could give two shits about humiliating defeats, these players need to know that this is on them. The kind of performance Case, Rashford, Bruno, Onana have been putting in week in week out is ridiculous. Something needs to change and as of now its not the manager.

 

[crossy1686]

You see the problem. Fans want a quick rebuild and won't accept that's not possible. Under the Glazers it wouldn't have happened because they were draining the club of funds. Under INEOS it won't happen because of FFP rules. So we are stuck with our frankenstein squad unless we are willing to swallow the pain of the transition, all while rebuilding our dilapidated facilities and stadium that mirror the state of the squad.

Sure ETH has failed. By the conventions of modern football he has to go. He will probably end up at Bayern and do really well. But his was an impossible job to do in less than five years even if we had the will to see it through rather than screaming for a new sacrificial lamb every two years. That's the real problem.

No, fans want the manager to be competent and focus on winning games of football with the team as his disposal instead of lamenting the fact we can't win a game against Palace, Bournemouth and Brentford because we don't have a left footed CB and FDJ.

The Glazers have sanctioned a £400m spend in 2 seasons. If that's bleeding us dry then we've got no fecking chance of ever being competitive again.

I hate to break it to you but I saw a Norwegian team who had to leave the stadium and cross the road to access their changing rooms, which was a shed. They won their games, it turns out it it has zero fecking impact on how the manager set them up during games.

This job is impossible when you're massively out of your depth and stubborn to go with it.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Yes it is a shit show, but literally every manager who has come in has met with the same fate. There is no escape. These players aren't going to turn up just cause we get someone interim. They will half ass it cause they know this manager will leave too.

I would start benching players who are playing shit, let the youth play, support the manager if I was INEOS. I could give two shits about humiliating defeats, these players need to know that this is on them. The kind of performance Case, Rashford, Bruno, Onana have been putting in week in week out is ridiculous. Something needs to change and as of now its not the manager.

"These players"

Most of the worst performers are ETH's signings and the squad has changed vastly since Ole left.

People on here act like we've had the same set of players for a decade plus now. It's extremely tedious.

 

[justsomebloke]

You see the problem. Fans want a quick rebuild and won't accept that's not possible. Under the Glazers it wouldn't have happened because they were draining the club of funds. Under INEOS it won't happen because of FFP rules. So we are stuck with our frankenstein squad unless we are willing to swallow the pain of the transition, all while rebuilding our dilapidated facilities and stadium that mirror the state of the squad.

Sure ETH has failed. By the conventions of modern football he has to go. He will probably end up at Bayern and do really well. But his was an impossible job to do in less than five years even if we had the will to see it through rather than screaming for a new sacrificial lamb every two years. That's the real problem.

No, I don't see the problem. Firstly, other posters speak for themselves. Secondly, I don't want "a quick rebuild". I have just lost confidence in the type of football EtH is trying to implement. If we continue with it, I do not believe we will become a good team eventually. If I hadn't, I'd be happy to support giving him more time.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Scholes and Owen reckon he's frozen McClaren out.

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[Eddy_JukeZ]

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The entire coaching staff should be binned.

 

[crossy1686]

Yes it is a shit show, but literally every manager who has come in has met with the same fate. There is no escape. These players aren't going to turn up just cause we get someone interim. They will half ass it cause they know this manager will leave too.

I would start benching players who are playing shit, let the youth play, support the manager if I was INEOS. I could give two shits about humiliating defeats, these players need to know that this is on them. The kind of performance Case, Rashford, Bruno, Onana have been putting in week in week out is ridiculous. Something needs to change and as of now its not the manager.

Yes, the players Ten Hag has bought and continues to play regardless of form have let him down, and yet he still picks them every week. If you think keeping him around will change that I've got some awful news for you.

 

[golden_blunder]

Man Utd fans have short memories. We sack Tim Hag and we are back to where we were with Ragnick.

This season has been terrible but the unprecedented injuries have played a massive part in that. Regardless of the injuries the media, pundits and rival fans are feasting over the clubs failures and our pathetic fans are buying into their glee and condemnation of our club and manager..

Our failures, not just this season but over the last decade are 100% at the foot of our owners, not Tim Hag who has had to work with utter incompetence across the club since he arrived.

The Glazers will be sitting back tonight probably not overly disappointed with Utd losing 4-0 but probably slightly relieved again that our cesspit of a fanbase will buy into the media slaughtering our manager and our club without pointing the finger of blame at the clear reason why we are where we are. .

I may be in the increasing minority here but I'm also a Utd fan of nearly 50 years and I'm dismayed by the kneejerk, impatience and fickle fanbase who once were revered and respected across the football fraternity but who have become almost as poisonous as the Glazers themselves . It certainly doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that a manager who inherited a shambles of a club has still been able to get the club to 3 domestic Cup Finals in his first 2 years, something Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson didn't come close to achieve.

Give the current Manager your support and back him. We are better than this as a fanbase.

Poor Timbo

 

[adkb]

"These players"

Most of the worst performers are ETH's signings and the squad has changed vastly since Ole left.

People on here act like we've had the same set of players for a decade plus now. It's extremely tedious.

So what are you saying, this is on ETH and blame him? The core players have been more or less there. And we have had some terrible signings.

I am not sayin ETH is god, but sacking him now is ridiculous and calling INEOS incompetent for not sacking him is even more ridiculous.

 

[Fortitude]

I was thinking about that yesterday. When Middlesbrough thrashed us years ago it left me bewildered for months.

I was awake for about 2 hours this morning before I even remembered that we played yesterday

Yeah, back then a big defeat left you pondering the meaning of everything you'd go through your own homage to 80's soft rock movie montages and be bent of shape for ages.

Now? It has to be something truly out of this world to leave a deep-seated affect on your psyche. We all have our own coping mechanisms for these trouncings by now. Which says a lot in itself.

 

[crossy1686]

Scholes and Owen reckon he's frozen McClaren out.

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Scholesy only ever speaks like this when he knows something. He was the one talking about the dressing room being shit when Lingard was leaking the goss.

 

[Telsim]

What's with the copium that the 7-0 was a freak result? ETH set the whole team up wrongly from the get go and every vulnerability was exposed

When he has most of his preferred XI and gets smashed, it's a freak result. When he doesn't have his preferred XI and gets smashed, it's injuries.

Keep up, he is never at fault. Too smart and good for that, him.

 

[Fortitude]

It's also a stupid post, because that same 90%(however he came up with that number) would have sacked him months ago.

There's only a few ETH defenders left at this point.

That too, but I think the last swing has maybe gone from 50ish% to a very heavy favour from the majority to bin him off, which is a new dawn, I think.

 

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[crossy1686]

When he has most of his preferred XI and gets smashed, it's a freak result. When he doesn't have his preferred XI and gets smashed, it's injuries.

Keep up, he is never at fault. Too smart and good for that, him.

How can he possibly be to blame, it's these same players of Fellani, Hererra, Rojo, Jones, De Gea, Fred, Martial, Lukaku, Pogba, Lingard, Bailly etc who just keep getting managers sacked.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

So what are you saying, this is on ETH and blame him? The core players have been more or less there. And we have had some terrible signings.

I am not sayin ETH is god, but sacking him now is ridiculous and calling INEOS incompetent for not sacking him is even more ridiculous.

I hope you're wumming.

The squad has vastly changed since Ole. What core players? We just played a game without Bruno/Rashford/Maguire and got destroyed 4-0 to Palace. He's brought in numerous players and taken us to a place we've never been in Premier League history. We've never been this awful.

Our GD is -3. Our xPTs is 15th. We sit 8th in the table. We've conceded 80 goals for the season. Most losses in a Premier League season. Last in the CL group stages(breaking records for incompetence by an English side while doing so).

Sacking him now isn't ridiculous. He should have been sacked 5 times by now.

I don't understand some of you. ETH has been abysmal all season and some of you still have the gall to defend him.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

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He's not to blame though.

Worst United manager we've had in my lifetime.

 

[Fortitude]

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We'll beat that record if he remains through to the end of the campaign.

Morale has actually gone now, and this is the section when players will look like they've collectively given up... because they have.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

I think at this point you have to assume that we are fecked financially and can’t move on at all. That’s the only logical reason for him to still be United manager

 

[glazed]

No, I don't see the problem. Firstly, other posters speak for themselves. Secondly, I don't want "a quick rebuild". I have just lost confidence in the type of football EtH is trying to implement. If we continue with it, I do not believe we will become a good team eventually. If I hadn't, I'd be happy to support giving him more time.

And yet moving from Ole-ball to high press fast transition football (albeit unsuccessfully so far) makes half our players redundant. So what's the answer? Go back to counter attacking? Even if we could it will never finish us in the top four and we still have a frankenstein squad. Football has moved on and we cannot. Nor can we go back. Sacking ETH is not going to resolve much, even if it's clear he has failed.

 

[stefan92]

We'll beat that record if he remains through to the end of the campaign.

Even Crystal Palace only had 18 shots (so below the 22 needed per match to beat that record) and they walked all over United. There is hope that teams don't try speculative long range shots when they are two or three goals up anyways but just keep the ball, so keep the number down.

 

[crossy1686]

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Can't wait for TenHagEra to post a positive spin on this one.

 

[Judas]

It is a bit funny in a twisted way, if INEOS weren't here and we were still purely Glazer led, I've no doubt he'd be gone by now

 

[Insanity]

- Seven of the eleven players who started the game joined the club in the last 2 years under ETH: Onana, Casemiro, Evans, Eriksen, Antony, Hojlund & Mount
- Two were young players who were introduced under him or played the most under him: Mainoo and Garnacho
- Only two were bought before him: Dalot and AWB
- Two of signings were on the bench: Bayindir and Amrabat

But yes, "these players" have been the problem since eternity.

And before anyone says "but that defense", this is not the first time a manager has had to play one of his DM's in central defense during an injury crisis. We had Carrick play their plenty of times during Fergie, Carlo started Touchemeni as CB in one of the legs against City, Pep played Mascherano regularly at CB. Good managers adapt and make the best of the resources. They don't cry for their best XI like this bald oaf has started doing off late.

 

[crossy1686]

I think at this point you have to assume that we are fecked financially and can’t move on at all. That’s the only logical reason for him to still be United manager

INEOS have billions, they can afford to sack him.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

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His defensive madness has overshadowed how bad we have been in attack tbh, we haven’t even have the injury excuse for the attack and yet we have scored 52 goals in 35 league games. That’s joint 10th for goals scored. Top 7 have all scored 69 or more goals so that’s a huge margin. Even last night while losing to palace for majority of the game we had 2 shots on target

 

[kouroux]

I'm more convinced now than ever that we need to crash out of all European spot. We need a season just in the premier league. feck all this nonsense about trips to Hungary and god knows where else. Gut the squad, probably sack the manager after the fa cup final thrashing, get all the top brass in their new roles and just focus on playing Saturday or Sunday.

I've had enough of this waste of space club acting like they are important to football. They are midtable dross and need to be treated like it. I hate them all so much.

Couldn't agree more. No Europe is an opportunity to reduce the squad

 

[Cloud7]

Seems like 90% of the Caf want him out now

Wonder if it’s the same 90% who wanted us to hire him?

Either way glad we’re not in charge.

When we signed him he was the standout candidate. It was a good move at the time. He has since gone on to prove that he’s not up to it, so he should be replaced. No different to us signing Schneiderlin. It is entirely sensible to change your views as time goes by.

Your post is really not the “gotcha” moment you think it is