He did not. We leaked about 20 goals against Liv, City And Arsenal. Thats not solid at all.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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We kept the most clean sheets in the league pal.
The boom bust cycle continues and will peak again just before the arsenal game
Clean sheets are meaningles If you get destroyed every other game. And that trend countinued in second season. His luck just balanced out.
It is so obvious that we are in downhill spiral. I am dreading what would happen if he get another season. Probably finish in the bottom half of the table. Idk what people sees in EtH
Actually, I’m sensing resignation. There are some attempts to defend him, but it’s pretty halfhearted at this point.
I wonder when the hammer will drop? After the Arsenal match, or after the FA Cup? What is it, 3 weeks until the FA Cup? Probably enough time to implement tactics if they are simple enough.
We conceded less goals in ETH's first season than the previous two seasons.
I think the return of Ronaldo scuppered the season for us, and I remember the media talking to Ole at the start of that pre season and he was hoping for several new signings. He didn't mention who, but I'm pretty sure that many of the signings made were not Ole's first choices, which may have been a stipulation of him signing a permanent contract, that he didn't have full control of players coming in, but obviously I don't know that, but prior to that season, United were playing some nice, enjoyable attacking football, but that season the wheels fell off, and finished up playing some dire stuff.
Ole may not have been a top quality manager, and when the going got a bit rough, he was unsure how to fix it, but I have a lot of time for him.
Every day longer the Pep Guardiola is my idol is still here the longer the rebuild will take.
Erik isn't good enough, critically United haven't performed well since winning the domestic cup last season and doing the double over Barcelona.
Injuries won't change the teams dynamic when even against Wolves, the fully fit eleven had 46% possession being the home side including Mainoo, Shaw, Varane and Martinez narrowly scraped a win. That's not a benchmark you can build from.
Subsequently if United retain the current manager and the performance levels don't improve, the blame has to shift and the hierarchy will deserve the brunt of the criticism over the manager. It will demonstrate poor judgement from a standards and procedural standpoint.
If they fail to find an adequate replacement now, does that landscape change next season? If anything, it's even worse because any potential manager that has the backing of being 'credible' by consensus will only be available due to being sacked. INEOS can easily snooker themselves at the end of the season.
Injuries won't change the teams dynamic when even against Wolves, the fully fit eleven had 46% possession being the home side including Mainoo, Shaw, Varane and Martinez narrowly scraped a win. That's not a benchmark you can build from.
Subsequently if United retain the current manager and the performance levels don't improve, the blame has to shift and the hierarchy will deserve the brunt of the criticism over the manager. It will demonstrate poor judgement from a standards and procedural standpoint.
If they fail to find an adequate replacement now, does that landscape change next season? If anything, it's even worse because any potential manager that has the backing of being 'credible' by consensus will only be available due to being sacked. INEOS can easily snooker themselves at the end of the season.
We conceded the same amount of goals last season as Moyes’s season at Utd. So I wouldn’t say we were particularly good defensively. That’s the 6th best defensive record in the last 10 years post-SAF.
Most importantly ETH has done nothing to improve our attacking output.
Until he stopped copying previous managers work and started putting his own mark on things.
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I'm not disputing that I'm simply stating that our defensive record improved, we didn't build on it granted, but I think the constant changing of the defence and not having a LB for most of the time is an acceptable reason.
This is why I don't understand people saying there are no good candidates so let's give him until October or whatever. If there are no "good" candidates now, who are we going to hire mid season then? Apparently people don't want interims, they don't want managers who have been sacked previously. Who is left then who is unavailable now.
INEOS will never get an easier chance to get rid of a manager. I will be shocked if they don't.
Nice to see Poch at least acting like a failed manager with a spine and ability to reflect. None of the bullish charade, excuses, gaslighting and desperately lieing about his achievements this season to cling onto his job and ego.
It's 'we'll talk in the summer and either agree to carry on or we wont, and if we split, that's fine'
It's 'we'll talk in the summer and either agree to carry on or we wont, and if we split, that's fine'
There's a reason he hasn't managed a club since 2018. And that was Zenit. His last big club was Inter 8 years ago. No thanks. International football is miles behind club football and there's a reason that the best managers in the sport are all managing clubs instead of nations. Nagelsmann is the only exception currently. Previously it was still only Enrique and Flick.
Mancini was at City as well, like I said, no thanks.
I believe a certain David De Gea was in goal last season, interesting that we kept most clean sheets.
Onana is statistically one of the best goalkeepers in the league. The main difference is that we had a settled back line.
He has not been let down by his players who did not try and threw him under the bus, and by his management who could not get him all the players he wanted and abused by the press on unprecedented levels like ETH has been though.
ETH has been one of the most mistreated managers in history of football, by players, press, fans and club management.
No he isn't,he just has a high save percentage because he faces a lot of shots.
This and one of the main points of hiring top people above the manager is precisely that they would be able to identify a non-obvious candidate for manager who would be able to step up to a new level/outperform expectations.
I mean Murtough and Fletcher identified and hired one of the “standout” candidates who was craved by the vast majority of fans and look how it panned out. Yes, the new guys might also screw it up but the point is that they would be correct a lot more often than the average fan, and hire a successful manager in less attempts.
I also find it interesting that the same people bringing up “no obvious replacement” argument usually are in favour of getting rid of 10+ players in the summer. As if somehow it is very different to manager replacement - and it will be very easy to replace large quantity of player with obviously much better ones (with possibly no Europe and FFP restrictions).
But it wont be easy. In most cases we will have to gamble, to go for non-obvious targets with potential but no guarantee of ultimately being better/step up to highest level. But they will presumably be more fitting with club’s vision and style of play. And some of them won’t work out and it is ok. Same with manager.
Reshuffling the top and bottom of hierarchy but leaving in place the guy in the middle who is underperforming because of “no obvious better candidate” just does not make any sense. He is not Pep or Klopp ffs. And if you are making hundreds of excuses for him - why not for players or Murtough then? I am sure they also have many “valid excuses” for underperformance.
He’s got a high save percentage because he makes lots of saves mate. What else would you like him to do? Not make as many?
Could say the same for any of the relegation clubs. Luton and Sheffield's keepers don't get half as much praise. How does it make him one of the best goalkeepers in the league?
Very true. I actually cried a little when I woke up this morning just thinking about how awful ETH's last few weeks must have been for him. How cornered and alone he must feel without a warm comforting structure around him, while players who have a long track record of throwing United managers under the bus, like Casemiro and Onana, keep sticking the knife in.
He said statistically, didn't he?
Lets not pretend that last season was some defensive masterclass. It was an ordinary season. In the past 10 seasons we've had 5 seasons with less goals conceded. It was the 7th worst season for goals scored and 7th on Goal Difference. We did somehow manage to get the 2nd highest points tally despite all that shite. We just had this odd stat of either winning or losing hence the high points tally and yet Ten Hags longest streak of games unbeaten is only 6 league games. Which is a horrific stat.
He's actually been pretty good in the league and prevented many goals. He's being bombarded with insane (unprecedented, hehe) amount of shots though.
I've not seen this number anywhere else. Everyone else uses PSxG to rate goalkeepers and he is comfortably average. Martinez and Pickford have been the best goalkeepers in the league this season, followed by Areola, Sa, and the Burnley keeper.
It's worth noting that he and Vicario were near the top in March, but the last month and a half really messed up both their numbers.
That is using PSxG. They rank him in the 94th percentile.
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They don't need reminding every presser about how much you blame injuries,mind you why they haven't quizzed more about why we keep picking them up is another thing.
You need to separate your dislike for the manager from the performance of the players he brought. Onana has been very good, all things considered.
United are 6th in Shots on Target Against, but Onana's Post-Shot xG minus Goals Allowed is positive (+1.8). Only West Ham have faced more Shots on Target and have a more positive Post-Shot xG. And Areola has been one of their best players, if not in fact the best. Luck plays apart in that, but it's not everything.
Is Onana top class? No. Are there situations where he could have and should have done better? Yes. And every keeper is prone to mistakes, just like Neuer kept Bayern in the game, then buried them in an instant. But when you are getting blasted week after week, you are going to let goals in. That's just statistics. You also have to remember that it was assumed he was being brought because the team was going to make the switch away from Oleball and towards a more controlled style of play - something to cater to his strengths. Needless to say, this has not happened. The opposite, in fact.
Yeah there is a distinct possibility of this
Very bullish. As expected, he's probably been briefed of the new contract.
Very true.
He is getting a new traveling bag, not a new contract. What?
If this were Salford City, he would've been sacked in December. Neville is a hypocrite.
Neville failed at Valencia,so he will always play it safe and back managers from now on
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