Surely when you’re half a season in in and things are not going as intended, you address them or change things up. You do not sit back and think it’s magically gonna come ok, or be so stubborn and think I’m gonna play this formation regardless of having the right players or not. That’s akin to accepting whatever way the coin falls week on week.
If that's not a discussion you want to have, but you apparently understand why someone would, then why are you referencing those people and more or less saying they don't have a clue? You can ignore things in your ultimate opinion if you want, but don't go around acting like those that don't ignore them are idiots, or don't get the reality of the situation.
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I'm not defending him, and the leap you've taken to reach that conclusion is bizarre.
There may have been times (have definitely been times) when mistakes over appointments or sackings have been made, timings in particular and luck has played a part, but in the modern era and going forward this gamble has to be reduced.
Venkatesham (now CEO) was the one who took over Sanllehi's duties initally until they eventually settled on promoting Edu. Fahmy was their main contract negotiator until leaving in 2021.
The only reason to keep doing it is because you’ve committed to the strategy and stopping the process would set the club back.
I don't believe the bolded is remotely true. Unless you mean only the non-football related duties. Which we don't care about because the context of the conversion is who is responsible for the planning and rebuilding the squad. Venkatesham is not a football person at all.
It's all marketing and business titles for 13 years, not a single football director role. But we're supposed to believe he took over the planning and rebuilding of the squad from 2020-2022 while Managing Director?
Sure, he should definitely take the blame for the duds too. I'm merely saying that it's bizarre to attribute the rebuilding of the squad to a guy with "first team coach" as a title and somehow not to the most senior football director at the club in that time.
He was implementing a good style of football with a team going through a rebuild, whilst integrating youngsters. I was arguing with even Arsenal fans at the time, as well as 95% of RedCafe about this, because I could see his vision. Tell me I'm wrong like they did, if you like, but where are they now? They've overtaken and flown past us in the last 2 seasons, which most on here said wouldn't happen. So yeah, clearly he was doing a good job.
People are shaking in their pants
Again, I'm merely arguing that the rebuilding of the squad was not his job or his job's remit. That there were different men with different titles tasked for this job. Obviously head coach/first team manager's (Arteta's) input being taken into account as well.
Even if he had no input into the squad rebuild (which may or may not be the case), the rest of what you said is part of the rebuild process. He's transformed their style of play and implemented these players.
I think you misread my post.
He HAS set the club back. His stubbornness is a reason for not making European places this season
It'll be a bank holiday Monday. If they've decided he's going then it'd more likely be the Tuesday or Wednesday.
This is actually a really good read and looks past raw numbers of injuries. Number of injuries per 1000 minutes played is still somewhat unsatisfactory and I want to understand exactly how that's calculated so if you have any reading I'd love to see it. I think we did get pretty badly hit by injuries so let's just assume that's ground truth. The wisdom now is to evaluate this season's performance in that context.
While I agree that we could have made the European spots if he'd been more pragmatic, I wouldn't define reaching those spots as long term progress.
But injuries though. Injuries mean we can't hope to finish above 6th place or set up our midfield not to be constantly overrun by teams in bottom half of the table.
It would be good if there was a semblance of a style that could actually work.
INEOS would argue he's saved money by having the player wages drop 25% a week, saving about £1m per week.
We've been concentrating on domestic competitions since we were embarrassed in the CL, and that has been shit too.
If you completely absolve the manager for the transfers and squad building then yeah, he's been dealt with a tough hand this season and probably none of this was his fault
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53790850
Yes, playing more pragmatic may have gotten us 5th/6th but that was not why he was hired. He came to implement a new style, not scrape results like Mourinho.
A style that he abandoned after one year and switched to the more, well, pragmatic "transition football " as he labeled it , in an interview. But a lot of people conveniently ignore this actually happened.
And by dropping the players wages by 25%. It will help us start a fresh now with players already at the club and incoming players, we won’t offer ridiculous wages like it’s been in the past.
Not really. We were pragmatic last year, this fabled style that some are constantly bringing up has never existed at United and it's not even his style. ETH's career has mainly been about transition football, that's what we were doing last year, that's what he has done outside of Ajax and that's also what he was doing with Ajax in the CL during the great run they had in 18-19. The issue isn't that we are playing transition Football instead of something else, it's that he tweaked the organization of our attacking and defensive transitions and made a mess of it.
Unfortunately the club can't afford to do that. CL football is imperative to any top clubs finances.
Sounds like a sunk cost fallacy to me. Commit to something that isn't working instead of accepting a setback and going back to the drawing board.
I see no evidence any of that has actually happened under ETH. We lack a coherent playing style and we brought in an even worse mishmash of players than we already had.
However what people expected and wanted was the style at Ajax. That's why he was a fan favourite for the job.
Yeah, I agree with @sugar_kane there which is why I want us to replace ten Hag. We've already seen ten Hag has a poor eye for talent and he himself admitted this season that he cannot implement the style of football he played at Ajax here. There's just no long term benefits in keeping him because he won't evolve our football.
And this is why we all want him sacked, because he's failed to do this in any acceptable way.
He's done neither. Not in a positive manner anyway.
