What time's the fight? And who's on the undercard?
Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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Being serious yeh. It would explain everything.
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There is only one place that article could have come from. This is pretty sad stuff and we are kind of fecked really
We’re putting in a lot of effort for a player who’s shown less for us than Tom Cleverley and Darron Gibson.
Absolutely dumbfounded by the strategy here from the players side...
Why would you push back against and come out in hindsight, complaining over the grace period manager offered you in a time of need? They were leaking the exact opposite just months ago about how much the player appreciated the support and wanted to repay the manager for it.
Support which only helped garner fan and media wide support for you on your side during a period of struggle mind you, only to come out months later to shoot down said support and claim the manager somehow acted wrongly.
The reality is that he bent over backwards to offer him support that he needed to an extent that you rarely see at other clubs, especially mid season. Him stating to the press that he had been afforded time to work on his wellness was the most graceful way to go about it as well to prevent the incessant media and fan speculation that would've continued ad-nauseum had the club not said a word when one of their stars was inconspicuously out of the team for months consecutively...
Just imagine the media circus which would've been hovering over the club had the manager not stated clearly thar he was given time to work through whatever issues he was going through.
Truly don't understand what they're playing at or hope to accomplish with everything we've heard since the Arsenal match. It's self-defeating and only works to make his life at the club much harder than it has been given the sensitivity and understanding that he's been afforded with already.
Why would you push back against and come out in hindsight, complaining over the grace period manager offered you in a time of need? They were leaking the exact opposite just months ago about how much the player appreciated the support and wanted to repay the manager for it.
Support which only helped garner fan and media wide support for you on your side during a period of struggle mind you, only to come out months later to shoot down said support and claim the manager somehow acted wrongly.
The reality is that he bent over backwards to offer him support that he needed to an extent that you rarely see at other clubs, especially mid season. Him stating to the press that he had been afforded time to work on his wellness was the most graceful way to go about it as well to prevent the incessant media and fan speculation that would've continued ad-nauseum had the club not said a word when one of their stars was inconspicuously out of the team for months consecutively...
Just imagine the media circus which would've been hovering over the club had the manager not stated clearly thar he was given time to work through whatever issues he was going through.
Truly don't understand what they're playing at or hope to accomplish with everything we've heard since the Arsenal match. It's self-defeating and only works to make his life at the club much harder than it has been given the sensitivity and understanding that he's been afforded with already.
Sancho and piano playing Sánchez - players who lack mental resilience and fortitude
Very clickbaity article which I hope people haven’t fallen for.
The club never said he had mental health issues but on here at least we thought his attitude sucked, he seemed so half arsed and uninterested and there were stories of him not taking gym seriously or doing fitness work to the level of others. Then ETH gave him the sabbatical which was very generous in my mind as Sancho had been so poor, you never really see managers do that for players ever, we really should have sold him then and probably could have found a buyer much easier than now.
Antony has hardly set the world alight but I think even his critics see the graft and fight in him, if Sancho just showed even a little if that people would have so much more time for him.
The club never said he had mental health issues but on here at least we thought his attitude sucked, he seemed so half arsed and uninterested and there were stories of him not taking gym seriously or doing fitness work to the level of others. Then ETH gave him the sabbatical which was very generous in my mind as Sancho had been so poor, you never really see managers do that for players ever, we really should have sold him then and probably could have found a buyer much easier than now.
Antony has hardly set the world alight but I think even his critics see the graft and fight in him, if Sancho just showed even a little if that people would have so much more time for him.
If someone told you during the Moyes era that we would sign a player a few years later for 80m who plays worse than Ashley Young did as winger in that time period, how depressed would you be?
Nah, that's unfair to Sanchez. He was phenomenal at Arsenal and one generally one of their hardest workers on the pitch. It's not even close. He was garbage for us yes, but I don't believe it was because of mental resilience and fortitude.
He's so ineffective as a player I find it impossible to have any feeling towards him. Shocked he has so much support because he's done feck all to deserve it.
It is actually fair, as Sancho was (almost) exactly that for Dortmund as well.
Yeah but Sanchez did it in the Premier League as opposed to the Bundesliga. Sanchez was also really good at Barcelona, so he wasn't exactly a one hit wonder. Performing in two high quality leagues over 7+ years is a lot different to performing for 2 in a mediocre league. I feel like he just lost a lot of speed and explosiveness in that year before joining us, which accelerated in his time here.
I don’t know, Sanchez still put in the yards on the pitch he just seemed to have lost so much dynamism and pace. Was like watching Soccer Aid and seeing one of the old great attackers come on, they still have the class and touch but move through treacle. I feel like Sancho is physically capable of doing a lot more but, for whatever reason, he doesn’t.
Shocking news just in as footballer who plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world doesn't like scrutiny. Sources say he would prefer it if everyone stopped talking about him and his performances, especially his boss, so he could collect his £350k a week in peace.
Thing is, everyone has already been extremely patient with him as it is. This is his third season with us and he's yet to really kick on so I'm not sure what you'd expect from a manager if the application is still lacking even after the tremendous amount of patience and time you've been afforded as it is...
True there is a difference, but I don't think that that is the relevant point in comparing those two. Both were stars of their teams before their move and worked hard for it, both got a contract from United with enormous wages, both just did never truly perform for United.
There's definitely someone in Sancho's camp spinning these stories. There was such an easy way out when all this started but 4 days on he still has the post pinned on his twitter.
Talented enough player but really lacks the grit that Ten Hag has looked for in basically all his signings.
Talented enough player but really lacks the grit that Ten Hag has looked for in basically all his signings.
He also (ETH) said nothing bad. Every single player who doesn’t start is essentially not playing because they haven’t been as good as others in training.
One thing I dislike about eth going public is that he has basically given right wing racist press ammunition to try and destroy sancho
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Holy mackerel, should have been done the day after the Arse game.
Wont he be due a new contract soon? with inevitable payrise to protect his value
Aren't both of them on a little holiday? Imagine nothing will happen until next week.
I guess the international break means everyone was off but it seems silly escalating the matter in the meantime then.
jesus what an absolute car crash of a post!Sancho did play as a striker for the pre-season friendlies without moaning, Ι'll give him that
Two players, in fact
Yea, that is what I meant. Everyone who is not involved in the internationals will be on a holiday.
I reckon Antony and Young are pretty comparable to be fair. Both hardworking inverted attackers who have some skill and a decent shot.Two players, in fact
Could we see Antony at LB in the future?
At a minimum security wing ? Seems like it.
What, so we could be going through this back then?
As I've said, none of them should be doing this (communicating through the media). It's clear that it's come to a head, right now. Hopefully it can be resolved. People, players, managers fall out all the time but we don't always hear about it. I'm guessing due to things that have happened (some we know about and most we wont), the nature of the individuals and the current climate, this has become more of a thing than it normally would. Let's see what happens.
Simple case of too much too young if you ask me.
Scapegoat?
feck off, he accepted a contract worth £350k a week, and now doesn't want his performance, and even ability to make a match day squad, scrutinised? good luck lad.
Scapegoat?
feck off, he accepted a contract worth £350k a week, and now doesn't want his performance, and even ability to make a match day squad, scrutinised?
good luck lad.Would've been nice to see Sancho put up this much fight on the fecking pitch at some point.
Hope Saudi clubs comes in in January.
An insult to Young this, he was class compared to Sancho. He has been as crap as Falcao, who is maybe the worst player i've seen at United if you take expectations into consideration.
The squad that ten Hag inherited was one in disarray following a disastrous season, a team with no heart. ten Hag got most of the team pulling in the same direction, and that is an achievement.
Also, the team we beat to the Carabao cup is Newcastle, a team that finished 4th in the league, not some Championship team.
And while we like to think that the Carabao cup is a mickey mouse cup, winning it last season was significant, because this is a team that hasn't won anything in a long time, and it was an important start. It shouldn't be where we stop winning, and we're right not to parade that around, but I won't downplay its significance.
Sir Alex Ferguson and van Nistelrooy were definitely not on good terms until the latter called the boss to apologize.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jan/21/ruud-van-nistelrooy-apologises-ferguson-united
"Nepotism is an even narrower form of favoritism. Coming from the Italian word for nephew, it covers favoritism to members of the family." (Source)
I did not mention Antony in my post, but IIRC, he came into the lineup v Arsenal and scored.
Fans fall for it? Fans could not care less about Sancho's introversion or extraversion. What fans are annoyed by is his decision to fight the manager harder on social media than he ever has for our badge, because his performances have not been up to par over four different managers at United, and that his former managers (Pep, Favre, and Southgate) have all had issues with his attitude on/off the pitch. Are those hit pieces? Perhaps, but they are documented incidents that show a precedence of Sancho's behaviour.
The only way Sancho wins in this is to perform so well that ten Hag cannot afford to drop him. If that happens to be the case, I'd say ten Hag succeeded in getting a response out of him with this management move, wouldn't you?
Yep, but it is the reserves for him until and unless the Turks come with an offer before the end of next week.
Antony may be lackluster in attack but the defensive work he does shits all over Sancho. 10 times the effort. If Sancho came close to that level then there would be an argument to replace him.
Young was levels above Sancho. I will take winger Young rather than current Sancho. Young also got converted as fullback when his legs were gone which I dont see Sancho ever going to be unless he plays in Sunday League. Young has a great career
I was hoping (albeit skeptically) Sancho would come good this season but he's given the manager little choice now. Never really looked hungry enough to make it. Off to the reserves until an offer comes in.
Hope this also means a little more time for Pellistri.
Hope this also means a little more time for Pellistri.