EU Referendum Results Thread | Leave have won, Cameron resigns

[VeevaVee]

Obviously could be bullshit but..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....654416167959.2284889.36805656&type=3&theater

That awkward moment when after a hard day of work you stand opposite Boris Johnson on a sweaty Northern Line train at 9pm, he points at you, he asks you if you voted Leave, you say no and he then concedes that he's lost hours before the result

 

[montpelier]

Farage 'distancing himself' from what he said 1/2 an hour ago.

 

[Skills]

That averages out at 52-48 to Leave

 

[Revan]

I don't think he does. I've tried to start fights with him and he seems apathetic.

He always refuses to reply when pushed in pretty much every topic.

All his political posts come as far right wing.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

While that letter of support just sums up the political class of this generation, there could still be enough rebels to cause trouble. That might be contingent upon some element of subtlety though, as most Tories will nevertheless find it difficult to side with Corbyn.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

You have no basis for that assertion though. The goverment has done very little to restrict non-European immigration so unless UKIP come to power or the Tory party changes direction then it won't be closing the doors.

An immigrant has as much right as anyone to want the country they live in to have controls of their borders. I don't agree with the anti-immigration line but I find it odd so many on here who shout that view down then lessen the validity of these peoples vote.

I just think a vote, where the key element is immigration, will be bad news for immigration and immigrants, both political and socially.... should it be successful.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

It's everywhere where humans are. Appealing to the lesser instincts, offering simple solutions to complex matters as well as convenient scapegoats works everywhere on this planet.

This referendum is a curious one because you have to a lot of working class people voting Leave despite EU employment law being one of the best things that ever happened for the low paid worker in this country. They have been duped by Leave propaganda preying on their fears about immigrants. If we leave the Tories will be in total control of this country, they are pro elite and are hardest on the most economically disadvantaged regarding rights and benefits.

There are some curious motivations coming from all sides.

I agree with your own point though. Feathering your own nest is natural. It can be framed as selfish but not hypocritical in the case of existing immigrants wanting to pull up the drawbridge.

 

[Jippy]

I've got to get up and into London tomorrow either way.

Hopefully if we Leave others feel the same as you can I can at least get a seat on the train.

Where you headed in the big smoke?

 

[Berbaclass]

Ahh cool thanks

 

[NinjaFletch]

Where you headed in the big smoke?

British Library. I've got a date with some dusty medieval manuscripts.

(and yours for a drink of course )

 

[Damien]

Theresa Villiers (Northern Ireland secretary and out campaigner): I would put a 'Remain' victory down to "Project Fear" succeeding.

 

[Amethyst]

It's so close. SNP, Green etc. will be similar (or higher) numbers of Remain to Lib Dem. I'd have thought.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Right im off to bed.

Dont let me down Redcafe, get them erasers to work.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

It's not about tighter controls... we'll have tighter controls if we remain anyway. It's about incredibly restrictive controls that may as well be closing the door.

Nobody has suggested closing the door, not even Farage.What are these tighter controls, you don't mean Cameron's nonsense with regard to benefits do you (a non issue to begin with)?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Off to bed - hopefully when I get up the Uk is still in the EU

 

[Red-Man-Walking]

Theresa Villiers (Northern Ireland secretary and out campaigner): I would put a 'Remain' victory down to "Project Fear" succeeding.

Pot, meet kettle, he's black too.

 

[unchanged_lineup]

Made my mind up a long time ago, the fact that there just happened to be a line of people in front of me today who were chatting away in another language only strengthend my decision.

Welsh?

 

[Berbaclass]

If we do leave how quickly does it take effect?

 

[esmufc07]

If we do leave how quickly does it take effect?

We'll be out by Saturday.

 

[Tommy]

Me & my brother both voted in/remain.

7 people in the UK Independence Party voted against independence?

 

[rednev]

This referendum is a curious one because you have to a lot of working class people voting Leave despite EU employment law being one of the best things that ever happened for the low paid worker in this country. They have been duped by Leave propaganda preying on their fears about immigrants. If we leave the Tories will be in total control of this country, they are pro elite and are hardest on the most economically disadvantaged regarding rights and benefits.

There are some curious motivations coming from all sides.

I agree with your own point though. Feathering your own nest is natural. It can be framed as selfish but not hypocritical in the case of existing immigrants wanting to pull up the drawbridge.

The same could be said about the low-waged middle class having been duped by the globalist propaganda that says immigration is 'good for the economy'. It might be good for GDP figures and stock prices, but the evidence is clear to anyone who understands labour economics that wages for the low paid have been kept low as a result of immigration.

 

[Ubik]

It's so close. SNP, Green etc. will be similar (or higher) numbers of Remain to Lib Dem. I'd have thought.

And NI, and it's not done based on who voted on the GE but who's a likely voter. The result of the poll has already been given, 52-48. Speaking of which:

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From the news editor of the FT.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

It's so close. SNP, Green etc. will be similar (or higher) numbers of Remain to Lib Dem. I'd have thought.

Every major party in Scotland have been Remain. It should be a wide margin of victory up there for Remain.

 

[DOTA]

And NI, and it's not done based on who voted on the GE but who's a likely voter. The result of the poll has already been given, 52-48. Speaking of which:

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From the news editor of the FT.

Long night ahead.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Vote liberal!

The last prospective MP wants to build new schools on park land. Totally idiotic.

 

[Rado_N]

This UKIP guy is a dick

 

[Jippy]

British Library. I've got a date with some dusty medieval manuscripts.

(and yours for a drink of course )

I'm going to be out in Fitrovia, two mins away...

 

[JON.B]

Welsh?

Should of said a foreign language, and no, it wasn't Welsh

 

[Kentonio]

If we do leave how quickly does it take effect?

Technically it doesn't have to at all. The referendum is non-binding.

 

[Skills]

It's so close. SNP, Green etc. will be similar (or higher) numbers of Remain to Lib Dem. I'd have thought.

Yeah last years numbers aren't really a good indication. There's going to be a much higher turnout for the referendum, and there's also another 700'000 or so (?) 16 year olds who are eligible to vote.

 

[Damien]

This thread will most likely be the most threadmarked caf thread by the end of the night.

 

[Untied]

I wouldn't take much from what the Caf votes. Didn't we have a massive Labour majority in the General Election?

Explains why I like the Caf much more than the country at large

 

[Hammerfell]

Should of said a foreign language, and no, it wasn't Welsh

Might want to try mastering your own if you're going to base your vote on it.

 

[Smores]

That conservative letter is such a pathetic move. They can say it's about wanting Cameron to stay on but is very clearly hedging their bets and grovelling in case.

They've highlighted far to many divisions in policy and respect for them to seamlessly go back under the whip.

 

[NinjaFletch]

I really dislike Kuenssberg.

 

[Rado_N]

I'm not sure how much more of this I can listen to.

 

[Cheesy]

That conservative letter is such a pathetic move. They can say it's about wanting Cameron to stay on but is very clearly hedging their bets and grovelling in case.

They've highlighted far to many divisions in policy and respect for them to seamlessly go back under the whip.

It's incredibly pathetic, isn't it? Squabble for months, and then patronise voters by pretending that everything's fine and dandy. Like two parents who argue every night but try to convince the kids all is well.

 

[Alock1]

From an objective perspective perhaps, but i'll be even more jaded and cynical than i already was. And when i think back to my ballot paper from last year's GE, it would now require the introduction of a new party for me to vote in 2020. I've never liked Osborne, and Cameron's been pissing me off sine the Autumn of 2010. While i voted Green in 2015, their manifesto was terribly amateurish (i don't trust Caroline Lucas and she could be leader).

I'm pretty much with you in all honesty. I'll probably have to be a reluctant Labour voter unless they decide to get their act together.

 

[esmufc07]

I'm not sure how much more of this I can listen to.

Your mates back!

 

[Scrumpet]

Theresa Villiers (Northern Ireland secretary and out campaigner): I would put a 'Remain' victory down to "Project Fear" succeeding.

C'mon Dave, gimme a reshuffle.