F1 2021 Season

Slevs said:
So toxic in here. Glad I'm not a fan of any of these 2.
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I’ve never quite been a fan of Lewis but hope he wins the WC over verstappen this year.

it’s hard to have opinions these days without being accused of having agendas and opinions, I don’t quite see why it’s toxic in here and what you mean, I see a couple of staunch max fans and anti Lewis fans but that’s it, maybe I’m blind to the Lewis support.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I’d like mclaren to do well, I like Norris and ricciardo too
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Same.

For this season I'm not especially pro Lewis, it can be boring having the same winner all the time, I felt the same about Schumacher. But I cannot abide Max's dirty tactics so would prefer a cheat to not prevail.
 
hobbers said:
The punishment is consistent with causing a collision through dangerous/negligent driving. Same as Hamilton in Silverstone. It's too lenient a punishment in general but that's not really the point.

Of course there are some people, who don't seem to understand motor racing, who will say Max intended to brake check Lewis at 130mph and probably destroy his gearbox, risk his engine, and get disqualified, rather than the obvious - that he braked to force Lewis to pass him before the DRS line, assuming Lewis knew that he was being let past.

The stewards didn't believe Max intended to cause that collision and it's reflected in their ruling and in the time penalty.
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It doesn't matter why he did it, it matters that he did it. Max knew it would cause a collision because he has mirrors that would have been filled by the Mercedes. He knew Hamilton was there.

It was dangerous and a 10 second penalty tells him he can do something equally dangerous again.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I’ve never quite been a fan of Lewis but hope he wins the WC over verstappen this year.

it’s hard to have opinions these days without being accused of having agendas and opinions, I don’t quite see why it’s toxic in here and what you mean, I see a couple of staunch max fans and anti Lewis fans but that’s it, maybe I’m blind to the Lewis support.
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This bugs me so f*cking much.. I very much dislike Max Verstappen, but if you make one single non-praise comment on Lewis in here its immediately interpreted as a Pro-Max opinion and accused of being a Max fanboy...Since last sunday I have literally said nonthing in defense or pro-Max, but Ive been accused of being a Max fanboy by multiple posters he, because I was doubting Lewis..

But yeah, this thread is just another artifact apparently of the general more and more polarizing world.. Dare to touch Lewis in here and suddenly you're a Max fanboy. Hell, at home people are terrorizing me for wanting LeClerc, Gasly and Norris more to win than Max, because I think they're way more likable..

Thats what makes this thread toxic for me...
 
NM said:
Hoping Ferrari and McLaren nail the new regulations!
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Max vs Lewis rivalry has nothing on the old Ferrari vs McLaren rivalry :lol: . That was also very toxic. I remember properly hating Ferrari and I would regularly get into arguments with Ferrari fans.

We've both been shite for ages though so everything has mellowed out.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
This bugs me so f*cking much.. I very much dislike Max Verstappen, but if you make one single non-praise comment on Lewis in here its immediately interpreted as a Pro-Max opinion and accused of being a Max fanboy...Since last sunday I have literally said nonthing in defense or pro-Max, but Ive been accused of being a Max fanboy by multiple posters he, because I was doubting Lewis..

But yeah, this thread is just another artifact apparently of the general more and more polarizing world.. Dare to touch Lewis in here and suddenly you're a Max fanboy. Hell, at home people are terrorizing me for wanting LeClerc, Gasly and Norris more to win than Max, because I think they're way more likable..

Thats what makes this thread toxic for me...
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Rather odd though, I must say, that you don’t seem to note that there are also Max “fanboys” in this thread too. But never mind.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
This bugs me so f*cking much.. I very much dislike Max Verstappen, but if you make one single non-praise comment on Lewis in here its immediately interpreted as a Pro-Max opinion and accused of being a Max fanboy...Since last sunday I have literally said nonthing in defense or pro-Max, but Ive been accused of being a Max fanboy by multiple posters he, because I was doubting Lewis..

But yeah, this thread is just another artifact apparently of the general more and more polarizing world.. Dare to touch Lewis in here and suddenly you're a Max fanboy. Hell, at home people are terrorizing me for wanting LeClerc, Gasly and Norris more to win than Max, because I think they're way more likable..

Thats what makes this thread toxic for me...
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Totally agree with your comments on F1 being a reflection of a more polarised World.

For me Red Bulls PR and spin epitomises that, even more so when defending the indefensible. But Sky and the other parties which stand to profit from the drama lap it up and create a false narrative.
 
STaphouse said:
Max vs Lewis rivalry has nothing on the old Ferrari vs McLaren rivalry :lol: . That was also very toxic. I remember properly hating Ferrari and I would regularly get into arguments with Ferrari fans.

We've both been shite for ages though so everything has mellowed out.
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Like Arsenal and United? :lol:
 
rpitroda said:
Rather odd though, I must say, that you don’t seem to note that there are also Max “fanboys” in this thread too. But never mind.
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Oh there definitely are. They are just never accusing me of being a Lewis fanboy :)
 
BrilliantOrange said:
This bugs me so f*cking much.. I very much dislike Max Verstappen, but if you make one single non-praise comment on Lewis in here its immediately interpreted as a Pro-Max opinion and accused of being a Max fanboy...Since last sunday I have literally said nonthing in defense or pro-Max, but Ive been accused of being a Max fanboy by multiple posters he, because I was doubting Lewis..

But yeah, this thread is just another artifact apparently of the general more and more polarizing world.. Dare to touch Lewis in here and suddenly you're a Max fanboy. Hell, at home people are terrorizing me for wanting LeClerc, Gasly and Norris more to win than Max, because I think they're way more likable..

Thats what makes this thread toxic for me...
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Agree with this, though I like Max for always saying what he thinks, not being PC about it and because he's probably the best Dutch driver ever, I can see why people would dislike him for the same reasons. There are definitely more likeable drivers out there like the ones you mentioned. When it comes to personality I like Norris the most I think. Always liked Ricciardo too, seems like a great guy. McLaren as a team are just very likeable these days.
 
STaphouse said:
Max vs Lewis rivalry has nothing on the old Ferrari vs McLaren rivalry :lol: . That was also very toxic. I remember properly hating Ferrari and I would regularly get into arguments with Ferrari fans.

We've both been shite for ages though so everything has mellowed out.
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Schumacher and Mika would go out drinking together. I don’t think it was toxic (maybe between the fans it was), it was just hugely competitive between two brilliant drivers.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
Oh there definitely are. They are just never accusing me of being a Lewis fanboy :)
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Yeah, but then I guess that’s because your one time (at least recently) posting in this thread is a perspective on why Lewis did something wrong / didn’t react like you’d expect. Anyway, side tracking here a lot now!
 
gormless said:
Schumacher and Mika would go out drinking together. I don’t think it was toxic (maybe between the fans it was), it was just hugely competitive between two brilliant drivers.
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I was talking about the fans.

It's not like the relationship between Max and Lewis is toxic either. They're still both quite respectful (in public) with the odd dig. Hamilton's relationships with Rosberg and Alonso were far more toxic that between him and Max. The toxicity stems from the fans and Wolff/Horner/Marko.
 
rpitroda said:
Rather odd though, I must say, that you don’t seem to note that there are also Max “fanboys” in this thread too. But never mind.
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But they are outnumbered 10 to 1 at the very least so if you're a neutral this place comes off as one massive Lewis/anti-Max&Horner wank fest. I've put several regular posters in here on ignore over the last couple of months because they're simply insufferable and I don't think any of them are Max fans, so without the bias they are a bit like Liverpool fans in the United forum, sure you notice them but they don't make that much noise overall compared to the vast majority screaming the other way.

Anyway, I truly hope Merc and RB will be bottom of the field next year just for the simple fact that this thread will have a chance of not being absolutely terrible. And it would mean Ferrari can clean up and I can come in here and be insufferable about it. :)
 
Zlaatan said:
But they are outnumbered 10 to 1 at the very least so if you're a neutral this place comes off as one massive Lewis/anti-Max&Horner wank fest. I've put several regular posters in here on ignore over the last couple of months because they're simply insufferable and I don't think any of them are Max fans, so without the bias they are a bit like Liverpool fans in the United forum, sure you notice them but they don't make that much noise overall compared to the vast majority screaming the other way.

Anyway, I truly hope Merc and RB will be bottom of the field next year just for the simple fact that this thread will have a chance of not being absolutely terrible. And it would mean Ferrari can clean up and I can come in here and be insufferable about it. :)
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Ha fair.
 
Zlaatan said:
But they are outnumbered 10 to 1 at the very least so if you're a neutral this place comes off as one massive Lewis/anti-Max&Horner wank fest.
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Yeah, we had Max/Lewis flame wars before, which were super annoying - but that seems have disappeared primarily because most of the Max fans involved have disappeared, and only the Lewis/anti-Max side remains.

I mean, if you read the couple of dozen pages of this thread, you get the impression that Verstappen is some kind of insane, evil villain, but read the media and you'll find nothing of the kind. To me, it's about equally tiring as it was before, except now it's an echo chamber.
 
Zlaatan said:
But they are outnumbered 10 to 1 at the very least so if you're a neutral this place comes off as one massive Lewis/anti-Max&Horner wank fest. I've put several regular posters in here on ignore over the last couple of months because they're simply insufferable and I don't think any of them are Max fans, so without the bias they are a bit like Liverpool fans in the United forum, sure you notice them but they don't make that much noise overall compared to the vast majority screaming the other way.

Anyway, I truly hope Merc and RB will be bottom of the field next year just for the simple fact that this thread will have a chance of not being absolutely terrible. And it would mean Ferrari can clean up and I can come in here and be insufferable about it. :)
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Don't necessarily want Merc and RB at the back, but it would be great for other teams to compete at the top. It's been a duopoly of titles since 2010. Especially the dominance of Merc, in my opinion, has damaged the viewership and overall competitive nature of the championship. I think this is even more important considering that the number of races are constantly increasing. Very few will have the energy to tune into a 23 race season, if one team is over a second faster than the rest of the field.
 
STaphouse said:
Max vs Lewis rivalry has nothing on the old Ferrari vs McLaren rivalry :lol: . That was also very toxic. I remember properly hating Ferrari and I would regularly get into arguments with Ferrari fans.

We've both been shite for ages though so everything has mellowed out.
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Pretty much. I used to hate McLaren.. Now I want them to do well. I'm a Ferrari fan first, and the only driver I support right now is Kimi so need to find somebody else... Ferrari fans have been suffering longer than United fans!
 
telstar96 said:
Don't necessarily want Merc and RB at the back, but it would be great for other teams to compete at the top. It's been a duopoly of titles since 2010. Especially the dominance of Merc, in my opinion, has damaged the viewership and overall competitive nature of the championship. I think this is even more important considering that the number of races are constantly increasing. Very few will have the energy to tune into a 23 race season, if one team is over a second faster than the rest of the field.
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The FIA has always stepped in to address one team domination over the decades. It's rare a team does it for more than 4 or 5 years, but Mercedes have been allowed to do it for nearly 10.
 
Cheimoon said:
Yeah, we had Max/Lewis flame wars before, which were super annoying - but that seems have disappeared primarily because most of the Max fans involved have disappeared, and only the Lewis/anti-Max side remains.

I mean, if you read the couple of dozen pages of this thread, you get the impression that Verstappen is some kind of insane, evil villain, but read the media and you'll find nothing of the kind. To me, it's about equally tiring as it was before, except now it's an echo chamber.
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I have my views from watching the race myself before feb entering this thread and not a Lewis fan, but verstappen has been wild these last few races. Guess saying that makes a lot of people appear to be fans of Hamilton
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I have my views from watching the race myself before feb entering this thread and not a Lewis fan, but verstappen has been wild these last few races. Guess saying that makes a lot of people appear to be fans of Hamilton
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There's a difference between pointing that out (which is entirely justified) and what (some) people have actually been posting about Verstappen though. But I'm not going to go into that, there is no point. I'm just back to ignoring most of the thread.
 
Cheimoon said:
There's a difference between pointing that out (which is entirely justified) and what (some) people have actually been posting about Verstappen though. But I'm not going to go into that, there is no point. I'm just back to ignoring most of the thread.
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Apart from one trump post I must have missed what you’re on about.
 
hobbers said:
Oh yeh please. Ferrari vs McLaren next year would be incredible.

A lot of the constant, angry noise in this thread will die away very quickly if Russell immediately starts sticking his car ahead of Lewis on the grid next season.
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That would be great. On both counts.

As long as Max is not winning I don't mind. :lol:

Would love to see Lando in a competitive car.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
I have my views from watching the race myself before feb entering this thread and not a Lewis fan, but verstappen has been wild these last few races. Guess saying that makes a lot of people appear to be fans of Hamilton
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I'm yet to see one ex driver say Max hasn't gone over the limit.
 
Cheimoon said:
Yeah, we had Max/Lewis flame wars before, which were super annoying - but that seems have disappeared primarily because most of the Max fans involved have disappeared, and only the Lewis/anti-Max side remains.

I mean, if you read the couple of dozen pages of this thread, you get the impression that Verstappen is some kind of insane, evil villain, but read the media and you'll find nothing of the kind. To me, it's about equally tiring as it was before, except now it's an echo chamber.
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Most media have stated that max has crossed the line on a number of occasions this season so not sure that's true really.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Most media have stated that max has crossed the line on a number of occasions this season so not sure that's true really.
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Obviously, they have, cause he did - and he got various penalties for that as well. But he has been depicted way beyond that in the thread I feel.

Anyway, if everyone's happy with the thread, then carry on; I'm not contributing much anyway and can easily ignore most of it.
 
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Cheimoon said:
Obviously, they have, cause he did - and he got various penalties for that as well. But he has been depicted way beyond that in the thread I feel.

Anyway, if everyone's happy with the thread, then carry on; I'm not contributing much anyway can can easily ignore most of it.
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I get what you’re saying but this is a fan forum thread. You’re going to get much more direct and emotional posts. You’ll never see a proper media outlet with such direct criticism, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t think it too. Not saying they do, they might not, but if you’re basing it on what you see written I think it’s a flawed approach. If you go back to this thread during the Silverstone incident you’ll see similarly heated posts about Hamilton.
 
hobbers said:
Yeah it's been a shame how much McLaren have just dropped off the second half of the season. Their fight with Ferrari was a good sideshow in the first half.
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Ricciardo hasn't been able to step up this season, has he? Last year the story was that he was still getting used to the car, but surely he should be past that now? But Norris hasn't been up there much recently either. Are they having issues? Or just stopped developing this year's car while focusing on next season?
 
Cheimoon said:
Ricciardo hasn't been able to step up this season, has he? Last year the story was that he was still getting used to the car, but surely he should be past that now? But Norris hasn't been up there much recently either. Are they having issues? Or just stopped developing this year's car while focusing on next season?
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Am i right in saying the lower you finish in the constructors the more wind tunnel time you get, I know more money is great for finishing higher, but the extra bit of time in the tunnel could be a major difference for them next season
 
sun_tzu said:
I think everybody except red bull and merc did that a while ago
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That's what I thought - but that doesn't explain why McLaren are dropping off, or why Ricciardo's performances aren't improving. If indeed that's both true. :)
christy87 said:
Am i right in saying the lower you finish in the constructors the more wind tunnel time you get, I know more money is great for finishing higher, but the extra bit of time in the tunnel could be a major difference for them next season
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There's also a lot of money involved in getting a good position in the constructors standings, isn't there?
 
Cheimoon said:
Ricciardo hasn't been able to step up this season, has he? Last year the story was that he was still getting used to the car, but surely he should be past that now? But Norris hasn't been up there much recently either. Are they having issues? Or just stopped developing this year's car while focusing on next season?
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Last year? He's only been at mclaren a season. He's doing OK, the car is apparently very weird to drive. He doe sof course have a race win and that was on merit as it was by no means guaranteed that max and Lewis would catch him. They just seem to have lost their way a bit towards the en dof the season. Lando hasn't been the same since the win that never was.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Last year? He's only been at mclaren a season. He's doing OK, the car is apparently very weird to drive. He doe sof course have a race win and that was on merit as it was by no means guaranteed that max and Lewis would catch him. They just seem to have lost their way a bit towards the en dof the season. Lando hasn't been the same since the win that never was.
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I see you're right! It feels like he's been there much longer already - it must have been a long year for me! :lol: I'll shut up now. :)
 
hobbers said:
Yeah it's been a shame how much McLaren have just dropped off the second half of the season. Their fight with Ferrari was a good sideshow in the first half.

Would like to see any or all of those four drivers for either team in a title fight.
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Would be great to have multiple teams competing for the title next year. The big rule change mean it must surely be likely that an unexpected team win! Or at least increase the chances.

If its Red Bull vs Mercedees again next year I'll be disappointed. Would love a curve ball like Haas with a rapid car.
 
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