Who Maguire? No way.He’s better than Varane on the ball, too, which will factor in him starting over Varane.
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Who Maguire? No way.He’s better than Varane on the ball, too, which will factor in him starting over Varane.
Yeah judging him 5 minutes into his first pre-season game still trying trying to adjust to a new system under a new manger when we concede a goal that really wasn't his fault after Melbourne victory compleatly bypassed our press and very easily got down the side of the other CB in behind the full back after waltzing through our midfield that was non-exsistent after the LW basically forgot to press, no doubt that shows that maguire is incapable because he didn't have the pace of Usain Bolt to cut out the pass.Couldn't help feeling sorry watching him try to run back at Melbourne, wasn't even that long in to the game and it pretty comprehensively showed why it wouldn't work under ETH. Particularly just after stepping up way too late leaving their player onside, ah well least we got reinforcements.
Yeah......But......Shut upYeah judging him 5 minutes into his first pre-season game still trying trying to adjust to a new system under a new manger when we concede a goal that really wasn't his fault after Melbourne victory compleatly bypassed our press and very easily got down the side of the other CB in behind the full back after waltzing through our midfield that was non-exsistent after the LW basically forgot to press, no doubt that shows that maguire is incapable because he didn't have the pace of Usain Bolt to cut out the pass.
Top quality post that. Well done.Yeah......But......Shut up
Fingers crossed but unlikelyJuventus are apparently going after Gabriel as De Ligt's replacement. Could see Arsenal going for Maguire to replace him. Would be typical Arsenal anyway.
I'm in agreement with youTop quality post that. Well done.
That goal isn't scored with Bailly, Varane or even Tuanzebe instead of Maguire, but let's just carry on with our heads in the sand.Yeah judging him 5 minutes into his first pre-season game still trying trying to adjust to a new system under a new manger when we concede a goal that really wasn't his fault after Melbourne victory compleatly bypassed our press and very easily got down the side of the other CB in behind the full back after waltzing through our midfield that was non-exsistent after the LW basically forgot to press, no doubt that shows that maguire is incapable because he didn't have the pace of Usain Bolt to cut out the pass.
It would happen to Pique, De Ligt and Hummels though in fairness, and a bunch of other quality centre backs that weren’t/aren’t blessed with pace.That goal isn't scored with Bailly, Varane or even Tuanzebe instead of Maguire, but let's just carry on with our heads in the sand.
He's severely slow people
I wouldn't play a high line with those lads either but they are better players than HarryIt would happen to Pique, De Ligt and Hummels though in fairness, and a bunch of other quality centre backs that weren’t/aren’t blessed with pace.
Klopp played a high line with one, Pep with another and ETH with the final name.I wouldn't play a high line with those lads either but they are better players than Harry
Hummels and Pique are much smarter/experienced players and know their limitations. They both are also more used to playing with a lot of space behind them. They could very well have positioned themself better to prevent that goal. De Ligt comes from Ajax and is used to playing with a lot of space behind him. De Ligt also isnt as slow as old Pique, old Hummels or non athlete Harry Maguire.It would happen to Pique, De Ligt and Hummels though in fairness, and a bunch of other quality centre backs that weren’t/aren’t blessed with pace.
Nonsense, it was an out and out sprint against a faster attacker, I’ve seen both Pique and Hummels (and De Ligt) get fecked by similar on plenty of occasions.Hummels and Pique are much smarter/experienced players and know their limitations. They both are also more used to playing with a lot of space behind them. They could very well have positioned themself better to prevent that goal.
That was just Pep playing 4D chess I thinkPeople forget that both United and City were after him that summer he signed for us. Meaning Pep saw him as a viable option for his high press team. Not saying he'll start but I think he can't simply be dismissed as the starting option. We just have to wait and see what ETH has in mind.
Maguire takes a lot of responsibility on the ball. Varane just wants to get rid of it and I think this has people confused.Who Maguire? No way.
we give that man too much credit.That was just Pep playing 4D chess I think
We were both also after Alexis Sanchez.People forget that both United and City were after him that summer he signed for us. Meaning Pep saw him as a viable option for his high press team. Not saying he'll start but I think he can't simply be dismissed as the starting option. We just have to wait and see what ETH has in mind.
My opinion on Maguire is that he's average at best, unless he has 1 or 2 solid CDMs in front of his, as we see with England...we aren't signing a CDM, and the high line will only show him up even more.we give that man too much credit.
Look at it this way, is Stones noticeably quick or faster than Maguire? I don't think so. Yet he plays regularly in that city team.
I know but as far as I'm concerned there are 4 other centre backs in the squad that are more suited to this style of football. Why would we persist with a slow centre back when we've completely gone away from the style of football he prefers?Klopp played a high line with one, Pep with another and ETH with the final name.
They are better, but that isn’t the point, that goal is scored even if you replace Maguire with any of those.
Most center backs are slow. You're not going to find many Usain Bolt's in opposition team defenses. With a high defensive line your primary focus of defending is the front line. Martial, Rashford and Sancho have to put in a proper shift.I know but as far as I'm concerned there are 4 other centre backs in the squad that are more suited to this style of football. Why would we persist with a slow centre back when we've completely gone away from the style of football he prefers?
It really isn't. So many people here who think they know a lot more about football than they really doIt really isn’t. At all.
Nobody is trying to defend his previous mistakes nor should they. I'm not even a fan of Maguire, far from it. All I'm saying is we shouldn't be quick to rule him out under ETH. People are quick to point out that he's too slow yet players like John Stones and Pique cope just fine in high pressing, high possession systems.We were both also after Alexis Sanchez.
The get the sentiment but you’re on about the manager that bought Ake for £40mil to warm his bench, Danilo & Mendy. He could have just as easily gone down as a Mangala for them.
The ‘Pep wanted him once’ defence is embarrassing. We’re 3 years in & his appearances don’t justify themselves so let’s talk about how a manager with a bottomless pit once wanted him, though even he balked at £80mil. The standards are in the basement for this guy.
Varane, Bailly, Tuanzebe are not slow at all and even Lindelof is quicker.Most center backs are slow. You're not going to find many Usain Bolt's in opposition team defenses. With a high defensive line your primary focus of defending is the front line. Martial, Rashford and Sancho have to put in a proper shift.
If the ball reaches our defenders, then the system has already failed.
It is why we need Rashford and co to improve dramatically from last season when it comes to their defensive duties.
Good modern day defenders have great positional awareness, can read the game well and have excellent distribution of the ball out from the back. That's why Lisandro Martinez is our latest signing. He's not going to win you 100m sprints and he doesn't need to. The aforementioned qualities are more than enough to ensure a solid defensive screen for the team that plays a high line.
Nowadays you defend from front to back.
The forward line press has to be perfected or we'll see more goals like the one against Melbourne City FC.
All the favourable comparisons to ‘slower CBs’ mean nothing until Maguire does what the others have been able to for sustained or even shorter periods & that’s play well enough to win something. There’s this strange phenomena with Maguire where we’re still talking about the concept not the player.Nobody is trying to defend his previous mistakes nor should they. I'm not even a fan of Maguire, far from it. All I'm saying is we shouldn't be quick to rule him out under ETH. People are quick to point out that he's too slow yet players like John Stones and Pique cope just fine in high pressing, high possession systems.
Yes. Just like Pep Guardiola wanted him. Managers who want to play out from the back will see what he offers.If Maguire was at another club does anyone think Ten Hag would be interested in signing him?
Definitely. Varane is awkward on the ball. Maguire is a natural like Timber and Martinez. Ten Hag will value what he brings in possession.Who Maguire? No way.
He can't play a high line, we will get destroyed this season playing a high line with Maguire starting.Yes. Just like Pep Guardiola wanted him. Managers who want to play out from the back will see what he offers.
Definitely. Varane is awkward on the ball. Maguire is a natural like Timber and Martinez. Ten Hag will value what he brings in possession.
Pep can buy and throw away multi million defenders. It hardly means anything.People forget that both United and City were after him that summer he signed for us. Meaning Pep saw him as a viable option for his high press team. Not saying he'll start but I think he can't simply be dismissed as the starting option. We just have to wait and see what ETH has in mind.
Right now, pretty much all of our players are looked upon favourably as concepts rather the players they've been over past 3 years, which is why they are all under the spotlight.All the favourable comparisons to ‘slower CBs’ mean nothing until Maguire does what the others have been able to for sustained or even shorter periods & that’s play well enough to win something. There’s this strange phenomena with Maguire where we’re still talking about the concept not the player.
I agree we can’t simply write him off under EtH for his pace, or lack there of, but 3+ years on the current Maguire has sod all to do with what Pep saw. I just want him to play well consistently, I could care less about Stones & Pique.
Quite possibly. It feels somewhat like the Rooney situation when Jose took over. Under LVG it was "my captain will play every week", Rooney was still the headline name, and Rooney played the full 90 every week despite looking a shadow of his former self. Fans were clamouring for him be dropped. Jose handled it pretty well actually, bringing in a 9 in the style he wanted and gradually fazing Rooney out. Difference with Maguire is its a question of his ability whereas Rooney it was his physical decline, but it feels similiar in that he will probably get given the opportunity to start in the beginning but if he doesn't perform we have a manager who will move him out of the side immediately, with his own man in Martinez at LCB, Maguire will have to out-perform Varane and Lindelof to hold down a spot at RCB. Pressure and expectation really on Maguire now, the safety net of "he's half decent with his left foot so he can play LCB" is taken away. He either has to show a LOT more at RCB, or he'll be gone. If Martinez and Varane/Lindelof form a functional partnership it won't either be a headline or cause a fuss.Would be sold next summer for less than half the price he was initial bought.
The club offered him a contract which meant they wanted to keep him. When a player leaves on a free when a contract is on the table, its not mutual.I don't hold any of those views with regards to Maguire.
You're contradicting yourself. I'd imagine it's hard to keep track when you're doing a WUM routine.
You implied the club let Pogba go because "he didn't fit into ETH's plans" (your words)
By saying him leaving was mutual (my words) it means he wanted to leave. This is quite obvious when he signed a significantly reduced contract at Juve, (a club he was successful at) compared to what he would be on here.
You've literally said in one post the club wanted him out, then in the next, you said the club didn't want to let him go
But you literally said the club didn't want Pogz because he doesn't fit with ETH's tactics, 2 posts agoThe club offered him a contract which meant they wanted to keep him. When a player leaves on a free when a contract is on the table, its not mutual.
But like how you avoided the point, do you think the FA in Southgate's contract have that he should play as well?