Harsh, but fair. Those corn rows looked terrible on him.And wouldn't the world have been a better place for it. It was cringeworthy then so imagine now?
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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I've had the cultural appropriation discussion many times and not once have I heard any argument to dissuade me from the opinion that it is a manufactured problem, perpetuated by people looking to cause drama where none exists. Live and let live, or go around trying to impose rules, based on your own arbitrary standards, for everyone else, whatever floats your boat I guess. People are entitled to be offended by whatever they please, but we certainly do not have an obligation to agree with them. Their personal opinions on a subject certainly don't speak for the opinions of everyone else from that demographic either. My own anecdotal evidence is that the vast majority of people, from a wide variety of backgrounds, don't give a crap about any of it.
But is he wrong?
Obviously.
Which leads us neatly into yet another issue: demanding minorities explain issues and justify their feelings, then dismissing them anyway.
You've already shown that you have a very limited understanding of the issues surrounding blackfishing, cultural appropriation and the commodification of black culture. You still think it's about dictating what people can wear and how they can express themselves, and not about how the wider Western culture is happy to pick and choose aspects of black culture and expressions to adopt, while black people are still marginalised and fighting for equal footing.
To dismiss it all as dramamongering, manufactured outrage, being bossy, wanting to dictate others or fascism, as one insinuated, is incredibly disrespectful. It shouldn't be hard to understand why someone would find frustrating, insulting and/or upsetting to see society so readily adopt your culture, while being far more reluctant to accept you as a person.
Wow.
Help me understand this. At what point will black people be no longer “marginalised and fighting for equal footing”? Do you think this will happen in any of our lifetimes? It seems to me that so long as the overwhelming majority of people in any given country are white then that struggle will continue for black citizens of that same country. Obviously we’ve come a hell of a long way but it’s really hard to imagine a scenario where we’ve achieved absolute perfection on this issue.
So, bearing that in mind, will any white girl who chooses to plump out her lips, or gets a dark tan always be guilty of offensive behaviour? Or any white bloke who really loves hip hop and dresses like his favourite hip hop artist? Because that just seems an incredibly low bar for taking offence. And it also perpetuates the above scenario where equality is unachievable, so long as what most reasonable people would consider trivial behaviour is deemed completely inappropriate. When it’s that easy to cause offence then it’s basically impossible to imagine a future where no offence is ever caused or taken.
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How is it damaging? To whom? In what way?
I do not even think not doing cultural appropriation is possible.
No one can own culture I agree, also culture is constantly changing and is often supported heavily by other cultures who adopt them.
Rap is a good example of it.
I don't know, no one does. That doesn't prevent us from trying to improve as a society.
I'm white as the driven snow, so those are not questions for me to answer. Instead, I'll refer you back to villain's informative posts on the issue. In addition, I'll add this by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
To not be completely useless, i'll at least add some words of my own: The impression I get is that the issue isn't so much with the individuals doing it (unless they're doing it specifically to look mixed race or black, or create some ambiguity around their ethnicity, so as to be able to pass as mixed race or black), but the culture perpetuating it.
On villain's point about beauty standards specifically, those are in large part driven by the media, and pretty much change from decade to decade. Those we (as a society) can change, well within our lifetimes.
Wait, so I can't go out looking dipped anymore? 
Since fecking when is the holocaust a widely debated and currently controversial issue?
Gina Peddy is a Nazi.
they made a bill that everything "controversial" (like racism, since these bills were written during the "critical race theory" culture war) needed to be discussed had to be taught from both sides.
(screenshot of the law)
Will they keep the original German title of the opposing perspective ?
Regarding the whole blackfishing thing, I mean, she's hardly "just got a tan" or "just wearing an item of clothing" ffs.
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Yeah, based on that second photo she’s permed her hair. Outrageous behaviour.Regarding the whole blackfishing thing, I mean, she's hardly "just got a tan" or "just wearing an item of clothing" ffs.
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I think i'm too old to get worked up over something like that.Regarding the whole blackfishing thing, I mean, she's hardly "just got a tan" or "just wearing an item of clothing" ffs.
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You need to evolve to the point where a pop star getting a perm and a trout pout fills you with rage.
EDIT: I use the word “star” in its loosest possible sense.
Are you honestly saying if you saw those second and third photos you wouldn't assume she was black/mixed race?
It's obviously done intentionally and the look she's going for.
I think it's weird as hell.
You think I'm filled with rage, or worked up in any way?
I just think its weird as feck.
I've never really been able to get worked up about fashion and celebrities.
Fair enough on people thinking darkening their skin is dodgy (well, extreme darkening) but it's so fecking stupid to think each race should have their own basket of hairstyles that no-one else can use.
Nothing wrong with her or Adele having cornrows/braids.
Nothing wrong with her or Adele having cornrows/braids.
I don’t think you’re filled with rage, no. I do think you seem more perplexed by a pop star changing her look than you need to be. She probably just had some stylist tell her she should try a more “urban” look and it progressed from there.
I've made like 5 posts on the topic. I'm not obsessing or losing sleep over it.
I just find it strange that, considering how PC the world is now, someone thinks portraying yourself as being a different race would be a good idea, or not offensive to people of that race.
We're Irish FFS, we lose our shit when Americans say St Pattys day or put on leprechaun costumes, imagine how we'd feel if Samual L Jackson dyed his hair red and started speaking with a thick West Kerry accent.
that would be greatBit random but reminds me of this.
Appropriation of accents is a whole other kettle of fish. Inner city English white kids have been trying to sound like yardies for ages.
He's the only guy to look cool in a kilt
And that little chin beard goatee hair thing. Why??Yup, that is actually despicable.
Suit trousers, shoes and a Liverpool shirt.
I've had it with these motherfeckin' schnakes on this motherfeckin' plane!
Out of interest, what race do you think she looks like?
I view being able to put aside pre-conceived notions (such as thinking this particular issue is some recently made up thing by people who want to dictate to others how to look and what to wear) and make an effort to actually understand the issue (especially when it's clear they've never done so before) as evolving, or at least attempting to. This was clearly outrageous of me, and for that I apologise.
You keep acting like you want to understand, but when you get explanations, you ignore them and just repeat the same idiocy over and over, so maybe the reason you take issue with it is that your incapable of evolving?