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He's not a Mourinho-type advanced midfielder. At best, he can be box-to-box in a 3.
McTominay maybe?He needs to be played in his Juventus position, which is left side of a midfield 3, and given instruction to attack. The problem is Herrera is absolutely awful this season so we need a new midfielder. We really are missing Fellaini.
Pogba - New CM
.......Matic
A role strictly determined, Pogba doesn't have the tactical nous to shift from one duty to an other without being told. It's speculative but he is the type of player that would thrive under LVG or Guardiola because of their controlling nature.What do you mean with a strict role?
Spot on.Scholes has absolutely nailed it there. Remember vividly the thread before he signed where some posters got shouted at for pointing out that Pogba is not someone who controls games but is more of a match winner you play alongside that guy.
Anyways, to answer the OP, yes, we are misusing him we paid top whack for him and have since made him do stuff which never made him a 90mil player in the first place. Can he do what he's been asked to do? Absolutely. He's probably among the most complete CMs out there but this role is not what he's best at.
A 3 man midfield with a Matic sitting deep, a Kroos dictating play and Pogba being allowed to do his thing is what's needed to get the best out of him.
Also, unlike some opinions, I don't think moving him further forward is the best way to use him either. He's not a #10 and that's not how you get the best out of him.
We're a bit fecked if quality footballers are termed a luxury and we strive to sign the next Scott Parker.Both Pogba and Martial are 'luxury' players that United cannot afford to carry in the team right now. A team needs to sweat blood to earn the right to play its football, neither of these players will ever do that.
Sell both to Madrid for £200m , and invest wisely ( if United have remembered how to do this) in 5 players that will improve the team in a balanced way.
Completely agree. Some of those "hollywood" balls he played yesterday could have been pre assists if they didn't go to Mhiki who fecked up about 20 crosses.No, he has no players around him that are close to or at his level to make the most of what he offers and brings to the table.
He’s not a player that can single handily take over a match. He’s a creative playmaker and needs at least 1 or 2 world class players in front/around him so his talents don’t go to waste. As of yet, United still haven’t surrounded him or/and the team with that personnel and it shows with him not being able to fully tap into his toolbox.
...just look at what he does on United vs when he’s on international duty with France - same player but a night and day difference. Now he doesn’t need an entire XI of world class players either but just give him a couple and you’ll see the best version of Pogba. Until then, just going to have to deal with it as mentioned, he can’t single handily carry United. Just not possible.
This is the way I think Utd should set up when I look at the players available. I'm a firm believer in building the system around the player that has the biggest potential to influence the game. For you guys that is Pogba and thus the system should be geared towards his strengths as a box-to-box midfielder with a tendency to roam around the attacking half. As he has a tendency to roam you want at least one "less dynamic" (for the lack of a better term) midfielder to cover and another strong runner in the middle. Herrera seems to be a bit out of form, but unless he regains form someone in a similar mould would work fine.I'd rather have Pogba as the creative midfielder a la Matthaus at Inter Milan.
.........Lukaku.........
.Martial.......Lingard
.........Pogba.........
...Matic...Herrera....
.......Back 4............
Don't get this mentality all, to me it's pure nonsense. Sounds like a post that an old English manager would make, like Neil Warnock or Alan Curbishley. We need more quality players who play attractive fast and fluid football, who have a bit of genius about them. Sounds like you want a team of work horses who get the job done, like some Championship team.Both Pogba and Martial are 'luxury' players that United cannot afford to carry in the team right now. A team needs to sweat blood to earn the right to play its football, neither of these players will ever do that.
Sell both to Madrid for £200m , and invest wisely ( if United have remembered how to do this) in 5 players that will improve the team in a balanced way.
5 players for £200m wont guarantee anything just like Pogba+Martial will find it tough to fetch that sumBoth Pogba and Martial are 'luxury' players that United cannot afford to carry in the team right now. A team needs to sweat blood to earn the right to play its football, neither of these players will ever do that.
Sell both to Madrid for £200m , and invest wisely ( if United have remembered how to do this) in 5 players that will improve the team in a balanced way.
What an unbelievably silly post, and a huge contradiction in terms."He has to influence the play like De Bruyne and Silva"
1. Neither have to come back and pick up the ball as deep as Pogba does
2. Both receive the ball to feet, or in front of them on the half-turn in the last third of the pitch
3. City play a possession game which circulates the ball to give those players more touches on the ball
It's such an oversimplification to go, "oh, more effort and inventiveness like those two" without considering the tactical context of the system which they play in.
Yep, Scholes is spot on, it's like buying Neymar and then asking him to play as a lone #9 target man, and some here want to make things even worse by bringing a luxury like Ozil in and increase his workload and force him to stay deeper even more as unlike Lingard, Ozil won't even tuck in and help out to allow Pogba to burst forward now and again. People are fooled by the fact Pogba can have good games in a 2 man midfield, of coruse he can, he's a VERY talented player, but if you want to see a consistent Pogba then you give him the maverick role in a 3 man midfield and as Scholes said you bring in the controller to do the role he's being asked to do, which is shackling him.I agree with Scholes regarding his role on the team and what he's asked to do
Source - GFFNPaul Pogba "regrets returning to Manchester United" in the midst of a currently difficult relationship with José Mourinho, according to tomorrow's L'Équipe.
I genuinely can't see why people are all of a sudden so eager to get rid of the future of our football club. I understand player power is poisonous but everyone knows what Pogba is capable of, he knows himself for sure, and wanting to get rid immediately because he's being asked to do a job by the manager that he obviously isn't the best at doing is just ridiculous. He knows his worth and we aren't doing him a favour by having him here, he'd have his pick of clubs if he left us now, hell he probably did when he left Juventus and I can guarantee that unshackled from this stifling setup Mourinho has us playing under he'd be back to his old quality self in no time and we'll be once again left with egg on our face wonder what could of been and why couldn't we make it work, then Mourinho probably leaves in 2 seasons and we've got rid of one of our potentially best players.I repeat what I said on the other Pogba thread. If he is really saying these things after the way he has performed then he has to go, and quickly.
I think he is trouble, he was under Fergie, and he is now. He is mentally a little spoilt kid. If he was a world beater it still would not be worth the risk, but as clearly he isn't, its not worth a seconds thought. Get rid, quickly.
but kroos is not the type of player to dictate play, Modric is.Scholes has absolutely nailed it there. Remember vividly the thread before he signed where some posters got shouted at for pointing out that Pogba is not someone who controls games but is more of a match winner you play alongside that guy.
Anyways, to answer the OP, yes, we are misusing him we paid top whack for him and have since made him do stuff which never made him a 90mil player in the first place. Can he do what he's been asked to do? Absolutely. He's probably among the most complete CMs out there but this role is not what he's best at.
A 3 man midfield with a Matic sitting deep, a Kroos dictating play and Pogba being allowed to do his thing is what's needed to get the best out of him.
Also, unlike some opinions, I don't think moving him further forward is the best way to use him either. He's not a #10 and that's not how you get the best out of him.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/fra...pean-championships-and-his-future-at-juventusESPN: You've said you want to create, or be, the new midfielder. What does "the new midfielder" mean?
PP: Doing everything: defend, attack, score, give assists, tackle, win back the ball. Be a leader on the field.
ESPN: A box-to-box midfielder, with a bit of Zidane added?
PP: [laughs] Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Messi, everyone. Iniesta.
ESPN: Really? You're serious?
PP: I'm serious. All players rolled into one: from defensive midfielder to attacking midfielder to attacker. I want to take the qualities from everyone. I'd like to get to the level where I have everything: Vieira, Deschamps, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Henry, Ronaldo. It wouldn't be bad, that. I've already scored goals, given decisive passes, won back balls. It's really just about raising the level.
ESPN: Despite your height you haven't scored many headers.
PP: I think it's because I'm big. They mark me too much. I don't like it when they hold me.
Would you really want to see him gone just like that?I repeat what I said on the other Pogba thread. If he is really saying these things after the way he has performed then he has to go, and quickly.
I think he is trouble, he was under Fergie, and he is now. He is mentally a little spoilt kid. If he was a world beater it still would not be worth the risk, but as clearly he isn't, its not worth a seconds thought. Get rid, quickly.
Pogba wasn't trouble under Ferguson. You've wilfully invented fiction there.I repeat what I said on the other Pogba thread. If he is really saying these things after the way he has performed then he has to go, and quickly.
I think he is trouble, he was under Fergie, and he is now. He is mentally a little spoilt kid. If he was a world beater it still would not be worth the risk, but as clearly he isn't, its not worth a seconds thought. Get rid, quickly.
The agent didn't 'just appear', Pogba changed agents quite deliberately. It suited his purposes. He threw his toys out of his pram when he wasn't picked by Fergie, who preferred to bring Scholes out of retirement. He was a spoilt baby then , and he still is.Pogba wasn't trouble under Ferguson. You've wilfully invented fiction there.
The suggestion that he's spoiled is predominantly based upon a hairstyle, tricks and flicks and - for some people, knowingly or not - the colour of his skin.
YesWould you really want to see him gone just like that?
Pogba chose to go to Italy, play lots of games and eventually win major trophies. That isn't throwing "toys out of a pram", rather a career move that was overwhelmingly justified thereafter. He chose to come back here for (hopefully) similar success.The agent didn't 'just appear', Pogba changed agents quite deliberately. It suited his purposes. He threw his toys out of his pram when he wasn't picked by Fergie, who preferred to bring Scholes out of retirement. He was a spoilt baby then , and he still is.
The racist card? Give me a break, how do you know what colour I am?